"People like you are the reason why people don't like vegans!" (hexbear.net)

submitted 3 months ago by Angel@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

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Veganism is a justice movement. We're not just a bunch of people with some oddball, "hippie" lifestyle wanting people to understand why they should eat more plants.

Carnists abuse the shit out of these kinds of sentiments, in which they neglect the fact that vegan advocacy is not supposed to keep them complacent. The purpose of vegan advocacy is to instill discomfort so that people realize the urgency in learning to reject the exploitation that they endorse on a daily basis.

If you apply this awful framing to any other justice movement, you'd hear people say shit like, "Malcolm X is the reason why people don't like anti-racists!" It just does not make any sense.

If carnists are truly convinced that carnism is ethical and totally fine for them to endorse, then why do they get so defensive and grasp at straws whenever objective facts about the horrors that they support are pointed out?

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[-] buh@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

If you apply this awful framing to any other justice movement, you'd hear people say shit like, "Malcolm X is the reason why people don't like anti-racists!" It just does not make any sense.

I agree it doesn't make sense but there are people who do say and believe this, even now

[-] Angel@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

Oh, absolutely!

And the difference is that there is a major disparity between the amount of people who rightfully condemn such a belief like "Malcolm X is the reason why people don't like anti-racists!" and the amount of people who would believe the same thing for people who say this kind of shit about passionate vegans.

I can assure you that plenty of staunch anti-racists who'd look up to someone like Malcolm X would be the kind of people to say the title of this post.

In fact, this type of rhetoric is the entire basis of the discrepancy that vegan leftists have noticed within the framework of non-vegan leftists, hence there being concerns about non-vegan leftists being rather inconsistent when it comes to opposing oppression.

[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

me, on a facebook post about animal suffering: maybe we shouldn't kill industrially murdered animals

some guy: maybe we shouldn't kill plants actually

[-] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

i can think of a single harm reduction death

[-] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 12 points 3 months ago

I've had a lot of carnists tell me how to activisim. Although, surprisingly after they spell out how and I say "well, given you've just come up with the way to best convince people to go vegan why aren't you" they can never explain why it doesn't work on them.

I'm starting to suspect these objections are about rationalising ignoring the message in favour of focusing on "principled" rejection of its delivery.

[-] Angel@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

It's textbook tone policing lmao

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