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Idiots think war is just like a Nintendo game where you kill the enemy leader and everyone gives up, lmao. No wonder Israel can't seem to have any success in Lebanon.
Yes, and that's why those in power are using this moment to try to sell us on this story, and it's chances of success.
Don't see how it changes the conditions on the ground in Palestine, however.
Narrative-wise, they become no longer Palastenians, but Saudis who are disobeying their King/Prince. It does NOT change anything for the better.
They will remain fighting for their homeland, they aren't going to stop striking Israel.
... are you somehow under the impression that I need to be convinced?
No, I am saying this isn't going to control the narrative.
Let's hope you're right.
It does seem like some out-of-left-field weaksauce to me, but the absurdity is part of the populist newspeak playbook that has been disturbingly successful over the last decade or so.
So once again foreign powers are re-drawing borders and assigning leaders to countries halfway across the world based on international politics?
Democracy for everyone except the oppressed.
Honestly, I don't think we've seen a true democracy since 508 BCE with the Athens in Greece :|
This an attempt to drag Saudi into the war too? Lmao.
I'm so confused. I can't keep up with any of this anymore. I don't know what I was expecting considering this is a massive circus. Please forgive my ignorance, but why the heck is the Saudi even being considered? I thought this whole thing with Israel was to secure the land for themselves.
I know I sound like a complete idiot, but I can't seem to be able to read this article--can someone point me to a resource I can read, even a book or video that helps clarify what the heck is going on. What a nightmare our world has become.
Israel does want the land, but they can't "just take it". The humanitarian crisis and the many civilian casualties they have caused, or are at the very least willing to accept, are seriously damaging their relations with the rest of the world. They have to make this go away, one way or another, otherwise they will be isolated at some point, and they really can't afford to reach it.
If they were to occupy Gaza and expell all Palestinians now, you'd have hundreds of thousands of refugees. No one wants to take in that many people, so it would cause significant tension with everyone around them and play into the hands of their enemies. If they don't drive them off but suppress them (or worse...), the problem continues, so that's not really a good option either. Giving up on some land, that isn't theirs to begin with, is a small price to pay to (maybe) make their problem go away. At the same time, they will likely even keep a bunch of land they already occupy.
As for Saudi Arabia: They want influence. And this would give them a whole lot of it, even if they only kinda solve this conflict.
I hear what you are saying here, but I am still a bit confused.
No one wants to take in that many people, so it would cause significant tension with everyone around them and play into the hands of their enemies.
Again, I thought this was why they (Israel) has been given the OK to commit genocide. This is what is so confusing to me, because on one hand Israel seems to get to do whatever they want to the Palestinians including decimating their populations, but on the other hand, for what purpose are they committing the genocide if all they wanted was to kill the "terrorist(s)" (which they invented by creating the conditions in the first place! Sorry, point of digression there). The point I suppose I am trying to make is that these seem like two different things. Killing the leadership of the "terrorist" and committing genocide. And now, to make matters worse, I am learning that Israel can't have the land, so all of this seems like a bunch of BS. (Not what you are saying, what is being done there) This feels like when the Saudis were at least partially responsible for 9/11 and suddenly we were creating false narratives about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction and a means to mess their countries up. Sorry, I'm a bit frustrated by this entire situation that has been playing our for the past few decades and it just feels like we are digging deeper and deeper into hell on earth.
Quick edit--I just want to make it 100% I do not support ANY form of genocide whatsoever! I realize my comment might be taken out of context and wanted to clarify that. :|
Brett Stephans was masturbating in the NYT opinion pages about this today, apparently the new western dream is for an "Arab-led" security force to take over Gaza in order to "de-radicalize" it with the help of "European economic power". It seems they have finally admitted that direct Isntraeli occupation of Gaza will only cause Palestinians to hate them more and strengthen the resistance. Though they still think annexations of the Egyptian border and cutting Gaza in half are necessary. Then I guess eventually a "deradicialized Gaza" will be handed over to Isntrael or the PA.
It's an absolute fantasy, he literally made up a fictional Gazan man named "Mohammad" in the article to fabricate Palestinian support for this insane idea. No Arab state, even the collaborators, wants to get directly involved in this genocidal shitshow. I doubt NATO even wants to show up in person, except the US of course.
It reminds me of what the US is trying to do in Haiti with the Kenyan police. That has been a complete failure and it would be even worse in Gaza.
Many leaders in the middle east are American proxies. By extension they will obey Israel. America has to make concessions for it, by giving their leaders things they want such as F35 planes.
Israeli allies are:
- Egypt
- Saudi
- UAE
- Jordan
- Turkey
The resistance is:
- Palestine
- Lebanon
- Iraq
- Iran
- Yemen
Keep in mind the population of all these countries hate Israel. Their leaders and army are compromised.
The only Israeli ally in that list is Jordan. The other arab states you're saying are allies are definitely allied with the USA, but their leaders are trying to balance economic stability with geopolitical realities. Ex. the UAE joined BRICS because it's trying to build its sovereignty.
Yesterday i was listening to someone on yt that there was a leaked document that seems to indicate Saudi's have been involved in this conflict for a while now. I think the guest who was talking about this was "sami hamdi".
This just gives more credibility to that document.
You'd have to pay KSA double their oil money to take Palestine.
Probably better luck convincing Egypt or Iraq to take if we're actually gonna go down this utterly stupid route.
Also Hamas doesn't even have proper C&C. On top of the reality thay this isn't a videogame, practically nothing will change.
this post was submitted on 18 Oct 2024
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