Comment today on Lemmy re: US election by NuXCom : bestoflemmy

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I realize that this is a very hot political season. Its impossible to keep a "good vibes" feel with this year's election politics, so I'm not asking for "Don't be an Ass" or other such naive statement. But please try to be on your best behavior. This is "BestOfLemmy", and not a political debate site.

I've nuked a couple of subthreads that have gotten too hot. Please report anything you think is unhelpful to the greater discussion. I'll remove distracting posts as I see them, but I don't promise "good moderation" here. I'm just gonna cleanup what I can see and when I see it.

The general rule for "BestOfLemmy" is to be an appropriate place for a Lemmy beginner to get a feel of Lemmy in general. Yall are somewhat forgiven for the heated topic, but its not a complete pass. Try to keep the perspective of "newbies to Lemmy are stopping by here first". And think about how you'd like to present yourself to them.

This is my guiding principle for moderation. This isn't a debate subsite, or debate community. I'm not necessarily interested in having everyone here complete their back-and-forth discussion (especially if it gets heated, swear words, accusatory tones, etc. etc.).

[+] gravityowl@lemm.ee -10 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

So to you, the best of Lemmy is "vote for my candidate or you're a traitor"? And ON TOP OF THAT, you want people to accept it or get their comment deleted? What kind of reasoning is that? You could just remove such an obviously inflammatory post instead of acting in such way. Especially since you literally admitted this is not to encourage a conversation or a debate:

This isn't a debate subsite, or debate community. I'm not necessarily interested in having everyone here complete their back-and-forth discussion (especially if it gets heated, swear words, accusatory tones, etc. etc.).

I'm sure new users will love to see this kind of behavior by the mods of this community

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I'm deleting the worst of posts that have degenerated into just two members insulting each other over and over again.

You can see the topic is mostly open for your discussion. Just don't make your posts devolve into useless bullshit and I'll keep the posts up.

I know it's careful balance and it's basically impossible to get it correct on political topics. But I'll do my best.

I'm simply being honest here. I'm not going to let 5+ posts of insults just stay around here. But this is also a topic with literally hundreds of comments so I'll be making mistakes as a moderator.

I'm not passing out bans here, yet anyway. I'm just deleting posts that have gone off the rails (as well as the threads / earlier posts that led to overheated discussion).

[-] literally_a_dog@lemm.ee -4 points 49 minutes ago

It's my second day on lemmy. I came from Reddit because their moderation is so careless.

I am so tired of moderators using their power to police discussions, rather than keep people safe. Anyone can walk away from an argument at any time; you're not protecting them from that. In fact, what you're doing is silencing them at a time when they're frustrated and have no where else to vent. They come here because they need to get it out.

I'm going to start looking for another platform. People like you are the reason I left Reddit.

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 1 points 30 minutes ago* (last edited 27 minutes ago)

Its almost as if the system of unpaid volunteer moderators has its limits.

I'm here on Lemmy because as limited as the system of unpaid volunteer moderators is... its better than the CEO of Reddit who has begun to influence the discussion from the top down. If there is a system of unpaid volunteer moderators, at least they should be supported. And Lemmy seems to be place for that.

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 hours ago

"vote for my candidate or you're a traitor"?

More like, vote against the conservative-fascist coalition if you don't want the US destroyed. If you're skeptical, we can open up any history book and read about how the German conservative-fascist ruling coalition of the 1930s turned out.

[-] gravityowl@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I'm not skeptical. I know exactly what I said and your paternalistic tone is not necessary. You're not the only one who heard of the Nazi, you know? We are all very aware.

It's not even about the post itself (even though it's an extremely low effort screenshot). It's about the fact that, a community that is supposed to showcase the best of Lemmy, is:

Proudly showing that this kind of post is supposed to represent Lemmy, which would be sad
Moderated by someone who legitimately is defending such low effort memes (and honestly mentality) without even pretending that it's for the sake of engaging in a conversation.

It's literally just a screenshot of a comment with 4 upvotes that is proudly saying "follow my reasoning and stfu. Otherwise you hate your country". And the mod is in the comments saying "yeah, agree with this and myself or I’ll delete your comment. I might ban you too depending on how I feel. After all, this is not a conversation".

And you can tell this is exactly what is happening because every single user that is pointing out how hypocritical and low effort this is, is getting downvoted to hell and called a fascist. And keep in mind, you don't even know how I'm going to vote in all of this. You and most users here are just attacking other users because they are voicing a different opion than "vote for Harris or you're a traitor"...Now THAT is truly the best of Lemmy: mindlessly downvoting and replying with a snarky joke.

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 2 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 32 minutes ago)

Part of the reason why I nuked entire discussions is because its an effective way to stop the downvoting, dogpiling, and snarkiness. I'm doing what I can here. Its a big topic, I'm not going to be here all day and I'm the only moderator. I'm ultimately going to have to trust all of you to be on better behavior when I leave to do my things today.

Real talk. I'm trying to set up the conditions for this thread to work out even in my limited absences. I cannot promise prompt deletions or even "fairness" in these circumstances. Chances are, I'm going to come back and there's going to be 5 hours of back-and-forth trash, downvoting, yadda yadda. I'm not an idiot, I can see and 100% expect that this will happen. When that happens, I'll have no choice but to delete the whole sub-discussion, starting from the moment it got heated.

And yet, this topic isn't breaking any rule that I've set up ahead of time. And I'm not seeing it as such a massive problem that I need to invent a new rule to specifically nuke this particular topic. I've listed out my reasoning for the two rules of this community already. If you want to argue on the basis of those rules (or alternatively, if you want to propose a 3rd rule to be added), I'm willing to meta-discuss the rules with you here.

But don't take my "delete comment" movements for something else. Lemmy has very few tools for moderation. On other forums, I would have edited yall's posts rather than delete them outright. I'm forced to delete because its against Lemmy's philosophy to allow moderator-edits to posts.

I'm not trying to make you feel bad with the "delete comment". Its just honestly the smallest bit of action I can do on Lemmy. I'm not trying to threaten you, I'm not trying to cause anyone any kind of grief. I get it, its a political topic and you have opinions you want to get out. So talk, get them out. I'll do what I can to keep the best of the discussions up but I'll also be deleting the dogpiles as they come up.

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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Personally I don't think it's helpful to treat a slavers' pact like how some people treat the bible.

I couldn't give less of a turd about a constitution, especially one that's been the source of endless oppression and genocide. It's a fundamental reason why the usa is such a trash heap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

[-] pyrflie@lemm.ee 16 points 11 hours ago

Yep voting against Harris is voting against the US. The problem is the US has failed a lot of people. And they don't care, this argument is an endorsement. People on the Left need to be prepared for what is coming.

[-] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 53 points 15 hours ago

Idk who nuxcom is but is this really a contender for best of Lemmy? You see the same comment in every other post so is this person that special or do we have a slow day?

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 19 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

My vote is very much on slow day and, given a choice, would nuke this thread entirely, if that helps.

If folk MUST steal other's work, at least pick something that is semi-uniquely them and not literally a post made while taking a shit.

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[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

There are two rules currently written for "BestOfLemmy", and they are:

Manual Curation -- If someone thinks its best-of material, it is allowed here.
Newbie to Lemmy perspective -- Posts should be beneficial to new Lemmy users. I'll ban topics on a case-by-case basis that violate this (ex: deep server vs server feuds or other "community vs community drama" topics).

From #1: The poster clearly thinks its worth sharing, so it deserves a topic. That's sufficient. For #2: it is a very political season (with only days remaining before the USA's voting days), so I think most people looking into Lemmy here would forgive us for a politically charged topic like this.

I evaluate that this topic was posted in good faith, and that newbies would accept such a topic here. So that's why it stays.

From a "BestOf" perspective: my main problem with the post is that it links to a picture of the post, rather than the original topic and the original discussion that created this particular post. I might make a rule against image-posts (ie: do not make unnecessary screenshots. Prefer to link to various topics and other discussions on Lemmy. Screenshots are counterproductive to the greater Lemmy community).

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[-] LotrOrc@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

Yeah the constitution totally doesn't need a rewrite or a few extra amendments thrown in

[-] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 1 points 53 minutes ago

It needs to be thrown out and restarted from scratch. The status quo is not good, it is very bad and I'm suspicious of anyone who defends it

[-] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

It feels like the heat got turned on almost all the way up with this election

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 37 points 19 hours ago

America is like 100x more powerful than Russia, so it's really fucking weird that an ex-president is beholden to Putin.

[-] somtwo@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

My gut says that Putin has some very embarrassing dirt on Trump.

Edit: is/says

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 9 points 15 hours ago

Sure it's weird.

His vp pick fucks couches. I'd say it's on brand.

The whole thing is fucking weird.

But what's weird and what governs the future lives to be lost are separate issues entirely.

If it's weird and beholden to Putin, idk what else there is to say.

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