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[-] CanadaPlus 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

www.stoppopulationdecline.org

Is that really a good idea? It's better to have too few people than too many, because if you have too many the correction will happen through actual famine.

[-] IonicFrog 4 points 1 year ago

I think we worry about population too much. The way you stop excessive population growth is to eliminate poverty and improve child mortality.

RIP Hans Rosling - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxxx03_JHlM

We are at peak child. This is a few years old and there are still around 2 billion children in the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E&t=1316s It's worth watching the entire video.

[-] CanadaPlus 4 points 1 year ago

Oh yes, we're on the track to peak population, no worries about that. I just don't think that's bad.

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

The problem here is population decline in America is caused by

  1. People aren't able to meet fertility goals because of economic and health issues

  2. More and more young people are committing suicide

If it was a matter of people just choosing not to have kids, not because material conditions force them, then you are right

[-] IonicFrog 1 points 1 year ago

Birth rates are declining all over the world except in the poorest countries. As countries become richer their birth rates drop because people have more options in their life. I think a simpler explanation for the covid baby bump is that people didn't have anything else to do.

Suicide is tragic but according to the CDC there were 7,135 deaths from suicide for people under 25 in 2021. The number one cause of death for people under 25 are accidents with 20,139 deaths in 2021. It would be extremely unpopular, but raising the driving age to 21 would dramatically cut those accidental deaths.

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago
  1. Even the poorest countries TFR are declining, especially African countries which has the highest TFR https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2023/04/05/the-worlds-peak-population-may-be-smaller-than-expected

  2. The article just talked about how increasing social spending and work flexibility increase fertility rates to those who benefit, while those who don’t benefit saw a decline in TFR

  3. The author may be down for that considering he also writes on YIMBY stuff

[-] SecretMap 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My wife and I was pursuing adoption, got started a little bit before the pandemic hit. We knew it would be a long wait, but during lockdown the agency told us that now even fewer women are turning to adoption. Being at home, and having more people work from home, made it possible for less women to seek adoption. We have since switched to gestational surrogacy.

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know how to feel about the adoption part, those kids deserve a home.

Also, CONGRATS ON YOUR NEW KID!

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

This article gives a pretty good summary that the pandemic aid keeps fertility rates afloat until the aid stopped coming in

[-] Elw 2 points 1 year ago

The rest of the US is learning what country folk have known for a long time. When you ain't got nothing better to do, you spend your days drinkin' and fu... well, you get the idea...

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago
[-] tintory@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

The study stated that remote work and COVID spending prevented fertility rates collapse during COVID

Are you arguing for austerity during the pandemic to keep decreasing fertility rates?

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not for the austerity, but yes for the decreased fertility. I’m guessing you didn’t read the link?

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