Yeah I'm a huge believer in federated systems but I believe that a lot of 'normies' going to bluesky is a huge step in the right direction. Even though most don't know anything about the tech behind it and migrate because twitter has become a bot infested right wing hell scape, they still are one step closer to being fully integrated to the fediverse.

Expecting perfection is a huge problem in all aspects of life. People just want instant perfection and aren't willing to work towards it. Then there's just apathy and that leads to stagnation or worse regression.

As much as I like the 'decentralized' stuff, the technical part of federation should NEVER be exposed to the end user if you want the platform to be mainstream. I still don't understand why a lot of federated projects think it's a good idea to expose that to the end user.

I tried to join Beehaw simply because a reddit community I was actively part in went there.

I got told that's not a valid reason to join, and that further applications from me would be ignored. I mean... okay? Sure... guess I'm no longer part of that community.

Many Lemmy instances are requiring their users to apply for an account.

Can you give actual examples?

I feel the only thing that Mastodon 'misses' is some feed to get you addicted.

I’ve been a heavy Mastodon user for two years, and I honestly don’t see why so many people on Lemmy give it so much shit. Certainly not in favour of the likes of Bluesky.

I get WAY more engagement with my posts on there than I ever did on Twitter. And maybe I’m just at an age where I don’t give a shit about celebrity, but I couldn’t care less that all the Big Names have gone to Bluesky and Threads. It’s great not seeing the same people being shared into my TL all the time.

The block lists for various types of assholes are also a marvellous invention. It's so nice to block all of MAGA at a click

lucky for us, we aren't running out of jumps.

Bluesky is Decentralized, people are moving to Bluesky because it is easier to use and has better UI and UX. The reason people are moving to Bluesky and not mastodon has nothing to do with Decentralized, it is because it is simply user friendly. I used both and I think currently that Bluesky is definitely better. One of the biggest issues is the app, many users use their phones and The mastadon apps are awful in comparison to bluesky.

https://www.hostinger.com/tutorials/how-to-host-a-bluesky-pds

I mean, the reason Musk is an issue is because Twitter is a privately owned, for-profit company. The issue is top-down leadership. Bluesky is absolutely doomed to the same fate.

Bluesky is a for-profit corporation backed by Venture Capital and run by Crypto assholes.

Jack Dorsey launched the initiative in 2019 as a proof-of-concept for a federated Twitter, which never happened. After dumping Twitter, he re-launched it as a standalone social media service and flagship ATProto instance, before jumping ship and letting it be run by committee. He now endorses Nostr, because BlueSky wasn't friendly enough to Nazis.

The current BlueSky CEO, Lantian Graber, started her career running shitcoin/scamcoin exchange (SkuCoin), manufacturing ASIC mining rigs, and developing for Zcash. She masquerades as a progressive techie, even as all of her past experience leans Libertarian/Anarchocapitalist, and all of her other ventures' websites are plastered with GenAI slop.

Bluesky is growing faster than ever expected, and with virtually zero real federation going on. It's going to fail catastrophically when the new user base realizes they signed up for the same shit they were trying to get away from.

It isn't that hard to realize that a FOSS product developed by a nonprofit (eg. Mastodon) is the correct answer, not more centralized, corporate, for-profit social media...

Pseudo-federated from what people are saying. Something about the user accounts being centralised but the data being decentralised. I don't understand but it's something funded by the previous owner of Twitter and full of other corporate money, so I wouldn't trust it.

I believe it's sort of tacked on and not exactly federated at the moment. Also it's corporate run

In theory, yes. In practice, it's a bit different. At the very least for now.

https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/113487613965056474

In theory, yes / kind of.

In practice, no, not really.

It uses a different protocol (AT protocol) than the Fediverse ActivityPub protocol, which is what lemmy and mastadon and pixelfed are all built on, so it is not natively interoperable with ActivityPub based Fediverse.

To do that you have to use bridging software of some kind.

Also, as others have pointed out... even if you do make the approximate equivalent of your own instance, a PDS... all of these still go through 'Relays', which BlueSky controls.

So... it is technically federated in the sense that it allows for anyone to make their own instance/PDS... but ultimately it is actually totally centralized.

Instead of a web or weave of many to many connections of independent admins/maintainers, the structure much more resembles a top down hierarchy that is ultimately all controlled by a profit driven corporation.

If the Relays go down, everything goes down.

If BlueSky decides they don't appreciate your instance, they have unitary power to delist or block it, from everyone.

As compared with the Fediverse, where many different instances and communities can all pick and choose for themselves which other instances and communities they do and do not federate with, and where an outage particular to one community/instance only bricks that particular community/instance.

People may disagree with how BlueSky is organized and architected, but I get why they decided to do what they did. User experience.

Their architectural decisions mean that people don’t have to worry about instances confusing people, and the org structure means is easy to staff a proper dedicated experience team that can be working, planning, and testing before big expensive decisions are committed to code.

Mastodon doesn’t silo its users, that’s what federation is for. Everything you post on the public timeline is essentially public for everyone that’s on a federated instance that hasn’t gotten blocked.