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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (16 children)

anti imperialist/colonial supporters when they find out that the entire timeline of human history is conquest, colonialism, and imperialism.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It absolutely is, but my take on that is we're just bad at doing community-based government and need more practice.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

possibly, but i think it's a sort of fundamental problem. I would be curious if history/anthropology has any sort of knowledge on societies that didn't have a hierarchical power structure within itself. But i'm guessing it's very uncommon, if not unheard of.

If humans could do a communal governance structure effectively, one would think it would have already been tried, and successfully implemented.

Democracy is probably the closest thing we've ever had, but it's still not perfect.

I'm sure theres also a lot of psych and socio research on this as well.

there's also the question of whether it's even possible to have a communal government structure in the first place, the world is incredibly complex, and politics is even more complex, doing things correctly is very hard.

TL;DR i don't think it's possible, and i'm not sure it ever will, judging by how humans behave.

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[–] DerKommissar@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"The pure (libertarian) socialists ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted.

Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed." - Michael Parenti, "Blackshirts and Reds"

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