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It’s possible that consumers are happy to have the most minute details of their lives surveilled and monetized in return for seeing ads they might want to click on. This is a hard theory to test, because very few people even know they’re making the trade. However, one organization recently tried to find out. After the European Union’s landmark privacy law, the General Data Protection Regulation, went into effect in 2018, a Dutch public broadcasting agency started prompting all visitors to its website to choose, in a clear and straightforward manner, whether they wanted their data shared with advertisers. The result? Ninety percent opted out, and the agency abandoned behavioral advertising altogether. (A Google spokesperson notes that all users can opt out of personalized ads, and that Google has long prohibited personalized advertising based on sensitive information.)

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[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 68 points 3 weeks ago

Why don’t we just ban all advertising? It’s a waste of human labor that not only contributes nothing to society but actually makes it worse.

[-] Viri4thus@feddit.org 32 points 3 weeks ago

100% this. Marketing has become a dead weight upon society, it's preventing us from making wise informed choices daily by poisoning our perception with artificial need/demand.

[-] CanadaPlus 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Or just allow on a whitelist-only basis.

Sure, a sandwich board outside your restaurant seems nice, but it seems like the actually-socially-useful examples are few enough that you could get through them all no problem.

[-] saigot@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

Ironically street signage is generally one of the more regulated forms of advertising. Those guys that spin signs were originally there to get around those laws.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

Sure. I was thinking of advertising in media but I don’t have a problem with a sign on your business or very basic things like that. So I guess not quite all advertising but the advertising industry needs to go.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I have a problem with those signs, they're pollution of a public space.

I remember when Sao Paulo banned all outdoor advertising and their city became beautiful again.

Further, when nearly everyone has a GPS map to wherever they want to go in their pockets, do we really NEED giant fuckoff signs so people know where their local McDonald's is anymore?

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

This seems to be mainly about billboards. I’m talking mainly about a sign on your door that explains what your business is. I hadn’t initially thought of this as a form of advertising but it technically is.

I’d be open to discussing a broader ban but my current thinking is that this very basic type of advertising which is primarily informational may be do more good than harm.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

Ah gotcha, yeah, the sign on the door shouldn't be banned, I agree. That might get confusing if nothing is labelled past an address.

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

i used to live near a suburb that banned billboards as well as 'great signs' (the big and usually tall lit-up signs for businesses) over a certain height (they all had to be fairly short and set back from the roadways). there was also no overhead telephone or power lines there. everywhere should be like that.

[-] CanadaPlus 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Smartphones at present are small surveillance devices vaguely dressed up as a tool. That medicine is far worse then the disease. I'm going to say at least a very plain description and open/closed signs need to be up.

Las Vegas wouldn't be the same without all the lights. Where I live there's a limit to one moderately-sized sandwich board, and I quite like it. Somewhere else they might want totally bare streets. All could be accommodated.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Smartphones at present are small surveillance devices vaguely dressed up as a tool.

You know, surveillance of those devices is a choice, right? They're actually a tool with surveillance slapped on top, it's literally just a computer (and on an Android you can even install different operating systems with surveillance blocked). And what industry wants to surveil those devices the most? Oh yeah, fuck me, it's MARKETING!

[-] CanadaPlus 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I did say "at present".

You can install LineageOS (assuming you have a reflashable piece of hardware) and run it in airplane mode, it's true, although that itself is slowly getting more difficult as everything gets app-ified. Just doing stuff the boomer way is easier in practice, in my experience - which, again, is at present.

If we're allowed completely changing the way the telecom and tech sectors operate ahead of time, yeah, I guess we can get rid of physical signs and just look at the world through our phone screens. That's obviously a taller order than adding a single regulation, though.

[-] zout@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

But think of all the poor people working in advertising who will be without a job!

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Obligatory: Bill Hicks on Marketing.


Like at least ban ads for giant companies. Everyone fucking knows what Geico and Progressive and Microsoft and Google are. We don't need fucking ads from these companies. We need ads from companies we have never heard of.

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 3 weeks ago

It's about giving you a brainworm. When it's time for you to sign up with an insurance company, you're most likely going to remember the insurance commerical that was the most ridiculous or unique. It's not even about advertising a product anymore. It's about jamming that little token into your brain so you'll remember them later.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Bill Watterson nailed it down 30 years ago in 1994. Because the brain worms work if they're repeated enough.

[-] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago
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