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submitted 2 days ago by Dave@lemmy.nz to c/politics@lemmy.nz

The coalition is tweaking university regulations to curb what it says is an increasingly "risk-averse approach" to free speech.

The proposed changes will set clear expectations on how universities should approach freedom of speech issues.

Each university will then have to adopt a "freedom of speech statement" consistent with the central government's expectations. The changes will also prohibit tertiary institutions from adopting positions on issues that do not relate to their core functions.

"Despite being required by the Education Act and the Bill of Rights Act to uphold academic freedom and freedom of expression, there is a growing trend of universities deplatforming speakers and cancelling events where they might be perceived as controversial or offensive.

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[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 day ago

There seems to be a lot of nanny-state crap coming out of a government who campaigns against the nanny-state.

Is The Nanny-State in the room with us right now?

[-] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 9 points 2 days ago

Last time we had National in charge we had NZ's pre-eminant fresh water ecologist labeled as an economic terrorist by John Key.

They can go and get fucked on the free speach

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 7 points 2 days ago

In theory a policy supporting free speech is a good thing. In practice I fear that this is a way to force universities to allow ridiculous points of view that don't deserve a platform.

[-] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 5 points 2 days ago

Each university will then have to adopt a "freedom of speech statement" consistent with the central government's expectations.

The changes will also prohibit tertiary institutions from adopting positions on issues that do not relate to their core functions.

free speech, but not that free speech

[-] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 days ago

This is the thing.

The Freeze Peach morons were campaigning recently to allow Candace Owens in on free speech grounds, as if she doesn't already have a massive platform to speak whatever she wants.

Freedom for individuals to express themselves how they want isn't the same as forcing venues or institutions to host that expression if they don't want to.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 9 points 2 days ago

A possibly pessimistic take is "speakers that support us keep getting their events cancelled so we have changed the law to stop that happening".

I think this is a form of bothsidesism, where they are requiring universities to give all sides equal weight where not all points of view deserve equal weight.

[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 days ago

They have been been welcomed by the Free Speech Union, which said academic freedom is under threat, but the TEU said there was no problem to solve.

The free speech union is a NZ offshoot of a UK based body. Reading over a few of their campaigns, the wording they use seems reasonable (if somewhat angry) on the surface, but whist reading the feeling is very much of dogwhistle style politics.

Such as:

it could make it illegal to misuse someone’s pronouns or limit schools' boards of trustees even more in how they present diverse perspectives on gender.

This is representative of a lot of the rhetoric on the site, on the surface it seems ok, it makes it sound like making a mistake will be a criminal act; but the biggest dogwhistle is "diverse perspective's", this is clear bull shit, they want institutions (especially schools) presenting views on gender/sexuality that are very much not representative of reality. The site doesn't say who is funding them, it would be interesting to see that information.

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A great response from the TEU:

"So it feels like we've got a heavy-handed approach from a government that apparently is anti-regulation but is now going to put in place the whole lot of requirements on a community that just doesn't need it."

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This is just bad policy. It is not about freedom of speech, this is about allowing divisive views an official platform, to legitimize them in the eyes of the public.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

It's a strange one, I'm not entirely sure what their angle is. I do like the idea of orgasations like a university not taking a position on issues outside their area of expertise.

We recently had Tory Whanau tell central government to butt out of their business, while the council passed a resolution opposing the treaty principles Bill, for example.

It's a waste of time, and such actions are seldom taken seriously anyway.

[-] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 days ago

Its not that easy to narrow down what the scope of a University's expertise would be though - take Victoria University of Wellington. Let's look at say, the Arts department because they have one and I know some about it.

Would you say that VUW can thus allow expression on any topic of study that Arts schools typically study because the methodology across any of the specific topics is broadly lumped together?

Or, is it no, they can only talk about History, if within the Arts school they have a History Department? Well in that case, should they be expressing opinions on all of History, or only on those areas of History that they actually study?

OK well within that History department they are teaching courses on Pacific History, US History, some periods of European History so they can only opine on that.

Or should they only be allowed to talk on the specific periods / topics of US History that they are running courses on? Or should they only be allowed to talk about particular methods of Historical study when called upon so Dolores Janiewski (who was an awesome lecturer 20 odd years ago when I was there) is only allowed to talk about I dunno 20th Century US Feminism?

Realistically the people who could determine whether or not someone has enough expertise to be considered an expert opinion are the Universities.

Re the WCC asking the Government to butt out, that isn't a matter of expertise but more one of jurisdiction, democratic rights responsibilities & freedom than a matter of free speech.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 days ago

I think the problem is that some views do not deserve to have a platform. In theory, having a reasoned discussion about climate change is a good thing and should be welcomed at a university. In practice, someone coming to a university to talk about how climate change is not real is not going to have a reasoned discussion. Saying the university should not take sides is good in theory, but in practice allowing equal time for climate change deniers as for climate change supporters in the name of free speech does not actually support free speech (given the supporters are 97%).

[-] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 days ago

That's the problematic aspect of both sides approaches which give equal weight & import to at least two sides of an argument no matter what. And its especially bad when its editorial decisions that determine that equal weighting.

Two examples that come to mind is how for such a long time climate change denial was given equal footing (and is still given loads of airtime) despite a mountain of evidence that most of their arguments were tosh.

But lately Modern Monetary Theory which is absolutely a heterodox theory gets barely any mention even though it is one of the strongest counters to the mainstream economic approach which is almost all we hear despite strong arguments that it doesn't consistently describe reality.

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