We like leftists and liberals.
We want to ban all guns.
We want free healthcare.
We want UBI.
We don't mind being taxed.
We want to give everyone a free abortion!
OK, now let's compare: over the last 12 months, how many American citizens murdered somebody? And how many illegals?
And yet we seem to mostly hear about it when immigrants do it, rather than the constant stream of good old American my country tis of thee murders, God bless 'em.
We should realize that leftists and liberals and conservatives are all victims of the propaganda machine.
The conservative position is quite simple: nearly every murder that is done by an illegal is potentially preventable if the borders are properly secured and we are actively deporting illegals when the opportunity presents itself. There would be very few exceptions to this - the very occasional overstayed visa murder, for instance.
Of course we have to put up with the insane levels of crime in the US from local citizens, but illegal immigrant crime is also substantial, and thus it is completely valid to go after it... It's really a two birds, one stone situation.
Well I'm afraid I don't understand the conservative position on citizen criminals. It doesn't seem to get much discussion here at all. Of course I also want Americans to be safe and secure, everybody can agree on that.
However it seems foreign criminals get brought up so often, it is as if our domestic criminals are less important, because I don't see any news articles posed in here about that. Why so much focus on one and not the other?
Conservatives talked a lot about the decriminalization of certain types of crime in California - it was a big theme in like 2022-2023 and still comes up. I think we also do tend to have these conversations whenever there is an event like what happened with George Floyd.
But I think it might be less talked about overall because many conservatives do live in places like Utah, Wyoming, etc., where crime isn't a big issue, and it doesn't seem like a national issue. When they imagine crime coming to them or getting worse, they think of it in terms of criminals making up a greater proportion of the population and moving into new places, which goes pretty well with a fear of an unsecure border.
Yes I think you are definitely on to something. And as such imaginings are perfect grist for the propaganda mill, there may be some chicken and egg factor to how the fear of the savage Mexican Murder-Rapist looms so large in the imagination.
Illegal aliens committing crimes on US soil are preventable, if they wouldn't have been let into the country and allowed to stay they wouldn't commit the crimes. The spotlight for illegal alien crimes is similar to criminals getting their sentences commuted or released and then committing gruesome crimes.
Further setting another person on fire is noteworthy regardless of the immigration status of the perpetrator.
Eh. When it comes to New York a lot of the crime we hear about is from citizens. The guy Daniel Penny had to subdue for example was a citizen.
For all the types of violent crimes you'll hear about illegals committing, they don't usually happen in the New York subway. I'm still surprised this was an illegal rather than a citizen.
Yeah, New York isn't close to the border and they don't have a lot of illegal immigrants.
Fox news is faux news
Fox News has been a cancer for American politics. That does not mean everything they report is false.
Are you claiming that a Guatemalan illegal alien did not set a sleeping woman on fire?
Oh, Ffs, an illegal alien set a woman on fire and burnt her alive, and you're going to use this kind of bullshit argument?
Get out of here.
Fox is the only marginally not full-on leftist propaganda, and even they aren't an actually conservative news outlet.
While you and your ilk just blindly downvote this community because you're so ideologically possessed, even when the exact same story will get hundreds of upvotes in a different community.
And yet, you all continually post things about how a migrant did a bad thing. I wonder why that might be...
Its blatantly obvious this is just bog-standard fear mongering. Did someone do a bad thing? Yes. It isn't any different from any other terrible thing done by a human being. Your disingenuous faux pearl-clutching just makes you look bad
OK, but how can you just brush past the very real concern for the safety of American citizens? Fear-mongering wouldn't work if people felt secure. The fact is that people don't, and there ought to be some way to address that without demonizing anyone.
People don't feel secure because they have been told not to by the right wing media. The numbers show that immigrants commit far fewer violent crimes than US citizens, with every single metric pointing towards a decline of ALL crime. We are in the most peaceful and safe time in history by most every metric, but we are also in the time with the easiest access to information, so people think things are crazy and violent because they have access to news that talks about it worldwide.
I'm the 1850s you'd hear about this awful happening across the country a week after the fact in the paper - today you can practically see it in real time. It warps our perception of how safe/unsafe we are and is used as a way to create an "other" to demonize in order to gain power. Just as the Nazis made their "other" the Jews, so too have conservatives made their "other" immigrants and trans people. The sooner people realize that, the sooner they can realize they've been had for years by grifters.
Generally speaking the places that can't stop migrant crime also don't stop citizen crime. Deporting illegal immigrants is an easy way to decrease some crime so I think the inaction on that front makes people frustrated. But at the same time you're right about citizen crime being a bigger problem than migrant crime, and additionally the rarer a thing is the more likely instances of it are to go viral since they're sensational and dramatic.
We are in the most peaceful and safe time in history by most every metric, but we are also in the time with the easiest access to information, so people think things are crazy and violent because they have access to news that talks about it worldwide.
To be fair, violent crime is rising, so while yes America is extremely safe and one of the safest places in the world, it also is getting more dangerous.
A slight uptick in violent crime today compared to the numbers we had in the 70s (19th or 20th Century, take your pick) is drastically lower still.
As to the point of deportations, no, it isn't an "easy way" to reduce crime. The logistical strain of such an action and disruption to our economy is staggering to even think about. In a morbid way, the handful of crimes committed by illegal immigrants are acceptable casualties on the altar of economic stability: if people won't stand for expensive eggs (thanks bird flu), they sure as shit won't stand for EVERYTHING that uses migrant labor going up dramatically either.
Firstly, it's a bit odd that you're comparing our crime stats to the 70s, as that's completely irrelevant. Nobody on the right is comparing current crime rates to the crime rates of the 70s.
Secondly, you're completely right that mass deportations aren't "easy", I should I have said simple. It's like, "oh, a bunch of these people are causing crimes, let's get rid of them and we'll have less crime". Even if you pull that off, you'll still have crime from the citizens that's not being dealt with, which I believe is something we agree on.
Thirdly, I don't think depriving workers of rights is worth cheaper eggs. On that front, you sound pretty hyper-capitalistic, to an absurd degree.
I'm comparing crime statistics to their historical numbers - the 70s was simply the first that came to mind. Pick any historical time, and the crime was higher.
I never said I agree with the workers being exploited is worth it - I am saying that the system the people calling for mass deportations within is dependent on the ruthless exploitation of millions of people, whether they like it or not. If they struggle to deal with expensive eggs, they will be in for a very rude awakening when the cheap labor that makes things so cheap goes away.
Why would the FBI sneakily downgrade violent crime stats? As with any police force, crime is good business, good for funding and staffing.
It was certainly a reporting, new info, or bureaucratic thing.
This actually surprised me. Whenever I hear about a crazy story from the NYC subway I assume it's a homeless citizen with some sort of drug issue at fault.