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[-] ashtrix@lemmy.ca 90 points 11 months ago

Hate to be that person but no headphone jack for a sustainable phone?

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 46 points 11 months ago

Environmentally friendly and fairly sourced, except for the consumable blue tooth earbuds we will sell you as a consumable to push our profits while creating e-waste.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 28 points 11 months ago

Or the dongles you'll lose. It's the only reason I didn't buy the Fairphone 4 and will never get the next one. I don't understand how you can market sustainability and fixable stuff without the headphone jack.

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[-] sheogorath@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I know it's a crutch, but there's always a USB-C to 3.5mm converter. There are some versions sold that still keep the charging port.

[-] szczuroarturo@programming.dev 17 points 11 months ago

Then give me 2 usb c ports on the phone.i can compromise with that

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[-] ArtificialLink@yall.theatl.social 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

With no headphone jack thats gonna be a no for me dawg. How can they promote sustainability and then design a product that is going to be unusable in 5 years max. That's just the reality of all wireless headphones. The battery will fail to hold charge and they will become useless. Not the truth for wired headphones. Goodwired headphones will last as long as you're able to take care of them usually

Edit: if anyone could give me one good real reason to remove the headphone jack? It's not about the alternatives it's why remove it in the first place? And the space saving aspect of it has long been debunked.

[-] Kushan@lemmy.world 74 points 11 months ago

I switched to using wireless headphones a good decade ago and I've never had a set die die to the battery going.

I've had plenty of wired headphones die bectthr cable became frayed or loose though.

I am still surprised at the lack of a headphone jack in the Fairphone, but I don't agree that wireless devices are somehow more prone to becoming e-waste.

[-] ArtificialLink@yall.theatl.social 6 points 11 months ago

How are they not going to become e-waste? At some point the battery will die. And more people will just throw those out then they will recycle them. The Bluetooth codec on the set will get outdated. I have old wireless Bluetooth speakers that are completely "useless" now because of the battery and old Bluetooth codec which doesn't work with modern phones. But damn if I still can't plug into their headphones Jack and use them while they're powered from the wall. If you look up the average lifespan of wireless earbuds you get answers anywhere from 1 to 5 years lol. I have a pair of headphones from the 90's that work great. I have another pair older than me.

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[-] Noughmad@programming.dev 11 points 11 months ago

The battery will fail to hold charge and they will become useless. Not the truth for wired headphones.

I don't know how you use your headphones, but in my case I switched to wireless because every single pair of wired headphones I had would break. Usually the cable, earbuds because they were in my pocket, and the overhead ones I'd drive over with my office chair.

Switched to wireless a couple years ago, no issues since then.

[-] ArtificialLink@yall.theatl.social 6 points 11 months ago

It's cuz you don't put them in a protective case every time like you do with wireless earbuds. If you took the same care to wrap them up and properly protect them every single time before you put them away which takes like three more seconds than wireless earbuds they would last just as long.

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[-] sudo22@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Man I'm super interested in this hardware, if GrapheneOS supported FP it would be a no brainer for me.

[-] ViciousTurducken@lemmy.one 14 points 11 months ago

I believe the reason they don't is because:

  1. They have a small team. It is not worth it at this point to support more devices.
  2. The Pixel series is considerably more secure, and that is the area they specialize in.
[-] southernwolf@pawb.social 8 points 11 months ago

I'm honestly surprised GOS hasn't supported the FP yet. CalyxOS has for about a year or so now, and I imagine they'll support the FP 5 too.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 6 points 11 months ago

Graphene developers might support it, its their kind of crazy, as long as the hardware security updates keep getting released for long enough to make it worth while (2028 which yeah... why not).

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

2028 Baseband support ... so 5 ish years of full support. Which is pretty good, why not just say that?

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I had to scroll way too long (on fairphone.com's FP5 page) to find the data sheet. It feels like they're trying to distract from something. Maybe no easy LineageOS support - maybe shitty battery life. My FP1 is still in perfect working order, lasting 2 weeks in standby on the original battery, but obviously doesn't support LTE or get SW updates - but the FP2 is dead within 24-48 hours on standby :/ And battery drains within 20 minutes watching youtube

[-] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 12 points 11 months ago

Most manufacture dont seem to put datasheet in a very visible localtion on the website.

The major talking point right under the promotional video clearly states 5 year warrenty and software update until 2031, and explained that is 8 years of security update in the caption.

Also it is unlikely fairphone would want to sabotage lineageos or any custom OS support, they dont make money from software. Why would they want to spend the engineering hours to deny free community effort to attract more users?

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[-] jacobc436@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

Because they promised and continue to deliver more on Fairphones 2&3

[-] Neato@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago

So the specs seem pretty good. Some are equivalent to the Pixel 7, some a little less, some a bit better like the selfie camera. But the pixel is quite a bit cheaper, nearly $200 retail. I wonder if they're considering making a cheaper version equivalent to the Pixel a series.

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[-] HerraThykki@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago

Will be interesting to see a comparison of the fp4 and the pf5!

[-] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 10 points 11 months ago

I am looking forward to them eventually release a modular smartphone, like the framework. Since most component in a phone last way more than 5 years, yet the chipset is unlikely to be snappy after that amount of time.

[-] TheFerrango@lemmy.basedcount.com 9 points 11 months ago

Wait, people are scared of industrial components? They’re usually the most reliable

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