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What dem supporters need to understand is that support for Trump for many is people sticking two fingers up at the neoliberal order. All this talk of "woke" or whatever would all evaporate if people thought they were getting a fair shake. Of course it's a bloody stupid way of protesting this like so as it's basically asking the foxes to fix the hen house.

The key point is the neoliberal order hasn't been successful by capitalist standards. GDP growth in western countries from 1985-2015 was slower than the 1955-1984 period which preceded neoliberal policies taking hold.

So what you ended up with was a system which actually slowed growth, removed welfare in a lot of cases, made housing unaffordable and really only seems to have succeeded in funnelling money into the hands of the 0.1%.

People have been convinced all kinds of scapegoats and whatever are to blame, but it's pretty clear that they see mainstream politicians, as most embodied by the Dems, as the face of their issues.

The lack of self-reflection on the part of mainstream Dems is a huge, serious issue which has basically given Trump and Musk a blank cheque to implement fascism or at least very authoritarian capitalism.

Well everybody already knows that. Like.. The power dynamics of "vote lesser evil, vote for minority candidate, vote for a compromising pseudo-progressive party because it's still something, abstain and stay pure, better face true fascists than traitors, etc." has been around since representative regimes emerged. Yet everyone has to find his/her political and moral stance in this shitshow. And answers will differ, sometimes for legitimate reasons, sometimes because of total bs. That's all there is to it and it's not exactly news.

Umm... Even us on .world agree that Dems are controlled opposition and useless if we want any actual change.

Can you criticize Israel here or is it full of pro genecide bots trying to run a narrative?

During the run up to the election I'll admit i was guilty of this because it was so important for TFG to lose. I wish our bullshit system allowd for more than a fascist and center right party.

Now? Fuck that they aren't leading like they should.

It's exhausting.

It's because a lot of the criticism attributed to "the Democrats" it's just general criticism about the government and has nothing to do with a Democrats specifically.

I really feel like as soon as a Democrat gets in the office people forget that the other half of the government is fucking Republicans that will do anything to stop Democrats from getting what they want... That's the entirety of what Turtleman is made of.

Any and all politicians are open to scrutiny imo. They are PUBLIC servants and as such they should get called on their collective bull shit.

The democratic party has failed us in a massive way. That's just facts. The republican party is a circus with an orange ring leader. None are doing their jobs in a way that truly helps the people, when they enter politis they start thinking of themselves and how lobbying can make them rich. There are only a few exceptions, Bernie, AOC etc...

What I don't understand - and please explain if you can - is why Bernie and like-minded people like AOC etc don't break away from the likes of the Clintons and the Harrises and form their own party. Surely there must be some systemic hurdle keeping them from at least attempting right?

So let's be frank here: Nancy Pelosi's Democrats need to die in a fire. The old guard must be set aside and a new team should take their place by spearheading the direction of the party.

Get ready for...

The Democratic Super Friends

Starring

• Pete Butigieg (White Man)
• Kamela Harris (Captain President)
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Plucky Latina)
• Bernie Sanders (Master Splinter)
• Elizabeth Warren (Super Mom)
• Cory Booker (Male Ratio)

These powers combined, maybe YOUNG people won't be so disgusted by the democrats. That's right, young people. That's who the republicans were targeting. Get the millennial vote by making the Super Friends here a reality.

But nope, that would be too daring, too risque, too sexy - for the democrats. We gotta wheel out Schumer and exhume Dianne Feinatein to prop her up with duct tape in the house of representatives.

It's the only way... to lose again lol

It’s been 8 years of the lesser evil with Democrats and I’m sick of them. I cannot in good conscience support them any longer because they have time and again chosen to maintain the status quo.

The Biden administration did many things to help Americans, most notably the Inflation Reduction Act and the student debt forgiveness. But most of it is being dismantled by the current administration. And the Dems knew this would be the case. Yet they chose to go the executive order route or the highly diluted down IRA. It’s not the people’s problem that you cannot get your party members in line. Why would we vote for you if you cannot deliver?

Nancy Pelosi chose not to even allow the bill to prevent members of Congress from insider trading. Republicans are using it to line their pockets like never before. You want to have your cake and eat it too. Well the people are sick of your hypocrisy and it showed in the elections.

It’s been more than a month of rapid fire gutting of the US government. What has the party done as the main opposition besides “coming up with a strategy”? Because it’s impossible to do anything meaningful without revealing how much you have gained from the system.

The Democrats who truly care about change need to spin off their own party. That’s the only way enough people will be mobilized to make a meaningful difference in the next elections.