Most of the people fleeing Reddit aren't leaving just because of recent changes. A lot of people were already looking for alternatives, yet failing to find one active or familiar enough. So now we're here.
I dont see most less technical users moving at all without some more UI maturity. The whole federated services thing is just a bit too abstract a concept for most. And right now its difficult to find/join communities outside your instance.
Agreed. I've been enjoying this site so far but I know most of my friends would hate it. It needs better UI. They also needa ELI5 all the fediverse shit and then have a TL;DR easily accesible to new visitors.
Or we(the community) needa ELI5 that shit, make memes about them, and maybe rename the fediverse because it sounds too generic.
https://calckey.social/tags/Reddit has the best ui i've seen in the fediverse but it's for mastodon
It definitely looks amazing. Though no downvote button made me avoid Mastodon altogether.
The confusion seems unwarranted to me, though. It's literally the same as email. Every time I discuss fediverse with people, all of their confusion stems from presumed complexity that doesn't actually exist. The server they pick matters just as much as it does for their email. So the process is: create an account somewhere, and start interacting with communities. That's it.
Right. Agree. But searching for communities, especially those outside your instance can be wonky. Finding communities and grouping like communities across instances is difficult as it currently sits. And it takes a bit of understanding how to search to find things.
Honestly, there's a pull request right now on lemmy-ui for instance agnostic linking, that combined with automatically staying on your instance will completely resolve the only issue I see for normal people.
That and a little jank here and there but that's bound to get buffed out.
Agree those two changes would be good. Along with making the ability to add topic sorting or community grouping where you can view say, all “technology” communities in a url. Or all Linux communities across instances in a big group etc.
I don't think it's too abstract for people. I think we're all just really bad at explaining it to non-techies.
When you move to a city, choosing the neighborhood you want to buy your house in doesn't stop you from being able to drive around looking at others.
It ain't rocket science.
after I found out about the fediverse I've wondered why not more people use it and why it wasn't already popular
Because most people just don’t understand it. It’s has a high barrier of entry (relatively speaking) and there aren’t really any good mobile apps. While I love the idea of the fed Ivette I just can’t imagine trying to explain it to everyone that’s isn’t tech savvy.
Trust is the hardest thing to reclaim once lost, and this isn't the first break. Big social is having problems, it's the natural course of things.
This is a great point!
For me, they'd have to
I have zero expectation that any of these things will happen. The most healthy way forward, for an open and free internet, is the meritocracy of the fediverse.
Did he get caught editing comments again? And the shadowbanning?
Not recently... I'm just completely out trust and benefit of the doubt based on the various controversies and where their (Tencent) money is coming from.
The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.
Even if they did, I think a lot of redditors have been fed up with some things with Reddit (both the company and the first-party app) for a while.
Of course, there will be people who just don't care and will continue to go about their redditing as usual, and those who will go back. A fair number of my close friends don't care at all as they use the first-party app, have no complaints, don't moderate any subreddits, and don't follow the Internet news.
I would love to see my primary communities move over to federated social platforms. It reminds me of the Web1.0 and earlier Web2.0 days.
The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.
Link? That's not good news :/
I haven't seen any new news compared to yesterday in spez's AMA. Nothing in regards to him responding to the forthcoming blackout (which is currently 3800+ / 6625 subs)
Ah, that's based off the AMA he "did". So nothing newer than that?
Not just that, they also announced their intent to turn reddit into an even more ad-infested hellhole: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads
This is the future of reddit in the official app everyone: https://www.redditinc.com/assets/images/site/image2.gif
Personally, I don't see myself going back. I'll just chill with my new community here.
I wouldn't care. The irreversable damage is done.
Reddit's handling of the API change criticisms showed me how little they care about the community that keeps them afloat. The way the CEO's AMA pretty much ignored all API change criticism (including comments asking why the new price is so extortionately expensive) whilst lying about Apollo's developer threatening them.... They've shown their real colours.
I don't want to use a platform prioritising profits above everything else now. I used Reddit for over a decade and they've eradicated my trust in a few days. Even if they reverse the decision, it'd be a PR move to temporarily save their sinking reputation. They clearly don't care about moderators, users or anyone who actually makes Resdit the place it is (whilst begrudgenly adding bare minimum app exceptions for blind users becsuse they legally have to).
Its a shame, but at the same time I'm excited to see where things go from here. Reddit's always had a bit of a quality control problem due to sheer size. Maybe the mass exodus will lead to an alternative community discussion platform with a smaller, more refined, engaged userbase.
I'm actually excited to see where things go from here to be honest. Maybe Reddit will become a home of pointless content like memes whilst deeper discussion happens elsewhere. Maybe that'd be better, actually.
Nope. Everyone makes mistakes. But you don't go full Armageddon on the people whose blood, sweat & tears built you up from diddly, and then say "oopsie." It don't work like that, Spez. Have fun with your IPO.
Well said - my patience ran out about 6 or 7 "mistakes" ago. I'm never going back.
They've already posted that they're going to "double down" on ads on their platform and they are not going to back down on the API rules: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads
I’ve returned to Reddit from Lemmy in the past, but this time it’s different. There are enough people posting content here now that it feels like a community (and not just a few nerds hoping it will take off). Never thought I’d say this but, thanks Spez for creating such a vibrant community.
I think if this works out I may switch permanently if they back out. If not I will only use Reddit as the occasional info lookup and use this as my “social media”
Im not going back after that AMA they showed their face and it was very very ugly (not that spez looks good in person either)
I've fully committed to replacing reddit in my life, I'm trying to be active here and pointing people to Lemmy when I can. Reddit has made it clear they dont care about users. they get content for free, moderation for free, etc. They pissed on their base and deserve a mass exodus. I just hope people follow through.
I fully support all the reasons for ditching Reddit altogether, but if I can’t use Apollo, I’ll only ever use it on desktop, and even then just to look stuff up via Google.
Installed Mlem and have committed to making this place a good one.
The apollo_for_reddit developer (android) is looking into making their app compatible with alternative platforms, hopefully more Reddit apps follow suit so they can make interacting on Lemmy as frictionless as possible
I would stay on both. Keep reddit just for the more specific subreddits I like that aren't big here.
use both lemmy and reddit
I'm seeing how things play out.
I certainly like Lemmy and I could very well use both for a while. I'm mostly worried my favorite subs (especially my local City sub) won't migrate or be an active enough group here. Time will tell. I want to follow the community, not the platform.
For me at this point I think Steve Huffman would need to step down along with a step back of their changes. I can't trust the platform given his track record.
It wouldn't matter at all, because it's just a matter of time before they implement such features and don't back down.
They'll just continue shit-testing us until the blowback isn't enormous if they go this route.
I don't think I'll go back except for niche content/communities I don't expect to see here for a while.
Lemmy is too good to leave. I don't think I'm alone either. I was wanting an alternative for a while.
Reddit is doing a tumblr so I don't think is gonna recover that easy. Reddit is not gonna allow NSFW subs to be seen outside of the official app, who the hell watches porn from the official app? So many people is gonna drop it.
I think is still gonna survive IF subs like askreddit, amitheasshole or entitledparents are still up and have a lot of people posting, because they so many YT channels read from those (and I hear them daily as podcasts) but if the mayor subs go dark or shutdown is not gonna affect reddit only, but also so many people who works reading those.
I've wanted to leave since the old shitredditsays days (had the handle /u/outwrangle ), but back then there weren't any good alternatives (SA cost actual money and Tumblr went to shit after it was acquired by Yahoo) so I stayed on leddit out of a lack of alternatives.
The blackout is just the brd finally coming to free us from the hellsite. I will never return.
I forgot all about SRS, back in the day one of the first times a Reddit comment I wrote got a bunch of upvotes some SRS folks came after me and it was super confusing. I got really bizarre messages from angry people who seemed completely unhinged.
I haven’t been a daily Reddit user for a long time, if Apollo stayed active and useable I’d keep it loaded on my phone but I’m into the vibe on lemmy and want to be part of it.
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