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[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 97 points 1 week ago (6 children)

With no DOE employees to process defaults?

Nobody should be paying a red cent.

If your choice is draining your entire bank account to the point you can't afford to live or suffering a credit score penalty, then the credit score should be sacrificed.

"but they can..."

Stop. Nothing they can do is worse than starving. Don't pay them. Use your money for your own needs.

[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I wish more people understood no one can stop you if there is no one to stop you.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I wish Trump didn't understand that.

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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

Try getting an apartment or renewing a lease with a truly shit credit score.

Oops, you don't qualify anymore, anywhere, your options are now homelessness, much more expensive hopping between motels every 3 weeks, or live in your car, hope you're still making those payments.

Fairly difficult to cost-effectively cook and store food when you're in any of those situations.

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[–] dick_fineman@discuss.online 52 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Just don't pay. Debt-strikes are far more damaging than a work-stoppage.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago (22 children)

It’s most likely that people won’t have a choice. Many people, anyway, from what I understand of USian wages and cost of living.

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[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Could you explain to non-Americans what is the appeal of student loans if they can do this? Why shouldn't people go to cheaper schools to get their degrees instead? I mean no disrespect, if you are rich go to Yale or whatever, by all means.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago (15 children)

There are no cheaper schools. There are expensive ones and more expensive ones. There is literally no option for the non-rich except to go into debt or learn to be a plumber.

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[–] Leeks@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Children are told that they MUST go to college to get a stable and high paying job. This is so prevalent that college degrees are just seen as “the next step after high school” and nobody questions it. These colleges have figured out they can charge almost anything because they are seen as the gate keepers to high paying and stable jobs. So banking on future earnings, bearly emancipated teenagers, with the absolute minimum of a financial education, make life decisions that will put them in debt for the next 20-30 years.

The problem with the whole system is there doesn’t appear to be enough high paying and stable jobs.

As far as going to a cheaper college, I think you identified the issue in your very own comment. Schools have different prestige levels. Yale, for example, is a high prestige school and not only are you paying for an education, you are also paying to connect to rich people. These connections can be worth a lot of money if they are used correctly. So going to a cheaper college also means less valuable connections.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Even beyond connections, just the sticker on a resumé that says "" means you're less likely to get shunted into the shitter with 95% of other applicants, if you don't already have an "in" that cuts past the resumé stage.

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[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (17 children)

I went to a really cheap school. My master’s was 40k.

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[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 27 points 1 week ago

There are no such thing as cheaper schools. They got rid of that because they were angry college students protested the Vietnam War. So now getting an education means doing business with the worst loan shark you've ever heard of, legally protected from bankruptcy. The thing you have to understand about America is that everything is a scam. Like healthcare or housing or a child care and a bunch of other things I'm not even thinking about

[–] vext01 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Same as in the UK I imagine. No university is affordable. Unless you are rich, you can't go without a loan.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

It says "Trump’s changes to income-driven repayment plans."

I don't get it - aren't student loans fixed amounts, with monthly payments calculated to pay off the loan after a certain amount of time? How can they just raise the payments?

Not much detail in the article but it does mention Biden's student debt forgiveness plan being blocked and Trump pausing applications for some income-dependent payment thing. Are we seeing people whose payments would have been reduced by either of those suddenly not having them available anymore?

[–] Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Most people are relying on income-driven repayment due to high interest rates and inflated tuition costs. IDR reduces your monthly payment to a fixed percentage of your income, but it does not scale the interest generated on the principle. The new SAVE plan was intended to scale the interest along with the monthly payment so your debt wouldn't keep piling up due to being on IDR.

Trump is removing all forms of IDR and blocking applications to renew existing plans, which means everyone will be forced to pay their full monthly amount (which is based on a 10 yr payoff plan). A lot of newer student loans are close to ~$100K or more, so imagine trying to pay that off in 10 yrs in the current job market.

Prepare for mass defaults on loans. This is absolutely going to crash the economy, and will very likely be worse than the housing market crash in ~2009.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Thanks for the details - it sounds like you're saying reduced payments under IDR are basically partial payments, which I assume would be applied only to the interest, thus making the debt last forever. Sounds like a plan bankers would come up with to create perpetual interest revenue. SAVE makes a lot more sense in terms of actually helping people - so no wonder Bonespurs & Company would block it. Can't have Big Gubmint interfering with the freedom to indenture people.

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[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)

SLABs will tank, someone's collateral gonna get busted

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