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What the fuck is “low value men”? No one else can decide your value.
lol so basically the premise of incelibacy is that there is a hierarchy of men (hence all the "alpha" or "beta" shit".) What you are was given out at birth (so yay, biological essentialism). they believe some traits highly valued by women (height, beauty, etc) and these were handed out at birth. If you are short, or slight, or bulky, they believe that no one can find you attractive (the black pill), no matter what other traits you cultivate. They are convinced no one might have any other taste, they have to look like Chris Hemsworth. So imagine a scale with Chris Hemsworth at the top, and everyone who doesn't look like that having "low value."
I dunno. my broke ass probably lol
They confided in each other that they both have low self esteem
It's the attempt to understand dating through tech bro economics.
The look at supply/demand (swipes), and decide their value based on the demand of the "market" is.
It's deranged
I've learned from my female friends that the bar for men is so fucking low. Basically shower regularly, listen to what other people say, know how to keep your home relatively clean and don't be a creep and you're immediately in the top 30%
you forgot the financial part
I've had sex with 50+ women in life, many way above my "value", and most from when I was broke as fuck. Anyone that thinks it takes money to get laid is making excuses for something. And BTW, I'm 5'8" and 140lbs., a "manlet" I think I'm called?
As it turns out, I'm horny and a genuine human being. Women respond to that. (I also give good head. Write that down.)
I don’t think they did. The bar is pretty low and still applies if you’re poor or rich.
No need to bring incell culture here.
6 figures, 6 feet, 6 inches is on a lot of people's profiles.
If you were rich it would probably more than double the number of people who are interested in you.
Part of why there are so many idiots self assigning as incels is because we refuse to agree with them when it's fair.
This shit culture perpetuates itself all over the gender spectrum.
Great, that lets you know who to avoid.
i’m bringing incel culture here? did you notice notice this is a post about “incel culture” from and incel?
besides, the notion that a financially unstable man has a hard time dating is not an incel concept… it’s just straight up reality.
i’ve even seen good reasoning regarding a woman’s risk of pregnancy vs a man’s risk….
i could go on, but it’s a straight up fact that: no money -> no honey
and i do not blame women, i blame capitalism and patriarchy.
incidentally i actually met their hero, Elliot Rogers… aka, the incel school shooter….
he was very rich, his dad directed Hunger Games… aside from being a psychopathic piece of shit, incel has nothing to do with money, it’s about how they think they can’t get laid with their idolized tall blond woman without being a chad or whatever….
tl;dr the bar is low but definitely includes financial stability… not wealth.
I agree, but there's is also the reallity that if you have no hobbies and no passions other than gooning you're going to come off as pretty uninteresting and boring to most people. Some would call that being low-value
Incels are low value men...but not for the reason they think
They choose to be low value when they get bitter about their assumption they are low value.
I'm glad I had someone I wasn't attracted to pursuing me early on because it led to the realization that giving in to that bitterness would just seal my fate when I was feeling down about rejection. Part of the bitterness was wanting someone to say, "hey, no, that's not the case" and date me to make me feel better, but from experiencing the other side of it, I knew there wasn't anything she could have done to make me into anything other then friendship and the more she pushed, the less I'd be sympathetic, not the other way around.
Things didn't turn around right away when I realized that, but it was an important part of the "don't be unattractive" rule. There's more to it, of course, but being whiney and bitter is pretty unattractive to most people, I'd guess.
A "low value man" is a man that tries to decide another ones value.
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No one else can decide your value.
Others can decide over your value inside their own socials context, which lead to the value-judging person and their peers to act accordingly towards you.
If you apply this value to yourself or reject it and if other contexts and groups adopt the value is an other story.
Imagine the world is a video game. Higher value characters of the race man would have things like a high earning job (a good class), a decent amount of wealth, high physical stats, high charisma. Low value characters would have a terrible class (smelly gamer), stats they believe are skewed towards intelligence, and no money.
If your world view is like this except you also believe there are hidden stats you can't ever change(like looks), and you're in a capitalist nightmarescape where even changing your class and amount of wealth is typically impossible, then you've accidently an entire incel.
God this is stupid even for green text
That’s how you now it’s not fake.
It still could be gay
The friend is just jealous the girl is getting more attention from OP and going full yandere
Not gay enough, shits bad
He and his friend could be sleeping together, but otherwise in an open relationship.
I've legit had this happen to me in high school. I stopped being friends with guys after it became.... "aggressive".
I had this happen to me in my 30’s. (Sorta.)
Polyamory - a woman who hadn’t been taking on new partners started dating me. My other girlfriend’s husband began awkwardly pursuing her with no grace or finesse. It got awkward. An acquaintance learned that I was dating the second woman (who had also only recently gotten back into the scene), and began pursuing her.
It’s like some guys think that because a woman is available to one (well, two or three), she’s available to all. It felt very much like blood in the water to a shark.
Teenager moment
One of them is lower value than the other, it would seem.