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[–] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

People can have opinions about AI or dislike it, the problem is that a lot of Anti-AI people don't understand that facts must be based on and supported by reality. Something that isn't the case with this argument considering that:

  1. There are open-source volunteer run services that are in fact free, and open-source (@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com already mentioned the AIhorde in the other thread), and to add to that...
  2. There are low power models that can run on a standard GPU and cooling, if one has a gaming PC they can run it themselves for the price and energy usage of a gaming session.

You can dislike that people use AI software, but the things you say need to align with reality otherwise it's lying and it costs you credibility. Strawman arguments and ad-homeim aren't going to fix that or make you seem more right. At the end of the day people are entitled to their own opinions. However facts rarely care about people's feelings, and in this case they don't care about yours. I await the logical fallacies that people will spit out to try and combat this.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

As much as i hate AI generated art, this is a shit argument. You can run an AI on your phone (which you would have anyway) without a subscription. You can also doodle on your phone for free.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah I feel it would be better if they they have shown the sheer cost of making these models and their upkeep instead.

It's perfectly fine price to use in cancer treatment. But when they mention AI girlfriends I want to scream.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

It's not even the cost of training the AI. A better argument is that using AI for art is pure fucking laziness in 99.9% of cases.

Also, why have an AI waifu when you can have a real one and touch grass at the same time?

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Also if you're not an idiot you can buy a workable smart phone for 100$ if you want

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

why are you assuming that someone who wants to make art would have a phone anyway? some people are poor

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My friend, phones can be very cheap and accessable and most has one. Like one of the comments said below said, you can find a cheap phone for under 100 dollars.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

keep in mind that 40% of the global population doesn't own a smartphone.

that's billions of people that you're leaving out of your analysis which doesn't sound very fair to them. you don't understand poverty because you're assuming your living conditions will be the same as theirs.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Do i have to consider every person alive whenever i make a comment? of course, people in poverty will have different ways of doing things and won't be able to afford things you and I can. I thought this is a given, no?

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

you have to consider whether the points you make reflect the reality of billions of people on earth. i don't know what's so hard about it

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

I keep seeing this kind of argument, and I understand, but I disagree.

The comparison isn't between using an ai service and doing it yourself, but rather between using an ai service and commissioning an actual artist. I can afford $20/mo for infinite mediocrity. I cannot afford $20/image (or more depending on the artist).

Of course, there is a flaw in my argument, in that I was assuming that the techbro was being honest. People aggressively pushing dalle or midjourney or whatever aren't interested in "making art accessible". They hate art and artists, and want to force creative types to be miserable doing jobs they hate. I have to remind myself that this is the kind of person that the comic is complaining about.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Lol right, because there are no free AI art services and you need a dedicated iPhone to do AI art. OP forgot to add $400 for a leather upholstered "gaming chair".

[–] mke@programming.dev 1 points 5 days ago

I'm sure those free services run on pure hopes and dreams and will do so forever.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

Also this looks like a meme made on a $180 drawing tablet.

Ok, we need to redefine what art is. Artist is. I'm so lost..

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I have a pretty quick ~$500 phone (snapdragon 8 gen 3) and tried this local AI app once (just something on fdroid, you could probably find it) but the experience was pretty terrible. Like a minute per image on the small local models from 2022. I'm sure you could do better, but my conclusion is that an $800 phone is as useful as a $60 phone for generative ai because you're going to have to use some remote service anyways.

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[–] sdfric88 27 points 1 week ago

Hehe "borrowed"

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