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Surrender now Putin or we'll stop trading with you at massive expense to our own economy! We'll do it we swear 
"Time is a flat circle" etc.
should have been at 'massive' sanctions a couple years ago.
Europe said it did. But these sanctions are super duper massive, I guess.
Double secret probation!
This is so embarrassing i feel it from second hand.
Cringe on a geopolitical scale
What's left to even sanction Russia with at this point? You can't threaten someone with something you already did 4 years ago.
except that western liberals are the villains
right, but you get the idea
for sure, these people really do think they live in a fantasy show
Europe have already sanctioned Russia multiple times over, what makes them think the threat of sanctions is going to make Putin care this time?
The oil price.
"Stop or I'll shoot!" I say, pointing the gun at my own foot.
Russia already had proposed a ceasefire for victory day but rejected any other since it would allow Ukraine to regroup. They're winning, they already rejected this, this is just posturing for the home audience.
After three glorious years of sanctions that totally crippled... oh wait, achieved nothing. This new batch will definitely work!
"After ~~three~~ glorious..."
8 years + 3 years*
This time for SURE sanctions will work 
Moscow says it won't be pressured over Ukraine 30-day truce --RT
This is foolish. As foolish as Trump's tariffs war. It's trying to bully someone with a strong hand into a deal when they already offered you one. Trying to bluff them in a situation where if they call your position collapses entirely is foolish.
Trump is showing he truly is someone swayed by whoever talks to him last. Zelensky was instructed by psychological experts from western intelligence I'm sure just how to appeal to him at their last meeting.
Russia's bottom lines have been the same since the start and the only change has been the addition of recognition of the eastern oblasts (which Russia within its own legal system incorporated as de jure parts of Russia (under Russian law)) as part of Russia.
I can only assume that this ceasefire is another Minsk agreement deception. They intend to attempt to force it, to re-arm and re-train and re-group Ukraine's military so they can put more of their men into the meat grinder and stall a collapse of the front another 10 months. And quite frankly given all the talk from France and other members of sending in troops once a ceasefire is achieved of trying to push the envelope of the acceptable slowly until Ukraine is de-facto but not de jure part of NATO.
Trump is going to ensure the US gets very little or no minerals to plunder from Ukraine if Russia has to push through to the finish.
I also wouldn't be shocked if Trump is testing the waters with this, says nothing and then when Russia pushes back hard he'll claim he never agreed to that and attempts to leave Europe on the hook for it all.
Haven't Western nations already been applying significant sanctions to Russia? It's pretty clear that hasn't been working, why do they imagine that more of the same will work any better? Oh right, they don't, they just want to look like they're doing something useful.
Secondary sanctions could cripple Russia. If Europe and the US say trading with Russia means you cant trade with them then China walks away. No two ways about it, China needs markets to sell their stuff, it would be tense and countries would skirt around them but individual companies can no longer operate flights to the UAE because the governments trade with Russia? They dont do enough trade to make that worthwhile, Russia isnt a big enough market for any country who has any passing trade with the EU or US.
China will call their bluff because the EU and America are heavily reliant on China.
Especially Europe where the population will directly elect another politician whenever they feel slightly economically inconvenienced by the current one.
Why? Primary sanctions didn't. The US and Europe effectively crashed out of Russia's economy for the most part; they lost access to Western banking, Western businesses abandoned Russia in droves, and the oil and gas sales to Europe that Russia is heavily dependent upon have been significantly reduced. Yet they seem to be doing fine, so what's left?
Also, why on earth would China walk away from trade with Russia? It's pretty clear the US-led world order of trade is falling apart and China hasn't been the one begging for trade deals over here, they seem fine to just write us off and go on about their business elsewhere in the world, I doubt they would have any compunction about doing the same to Europe if it came to that (which I doubt it will.)
The total amount of Chinese trade with Russia is less than the deficit Europe has with China. Secondary sanctions would mean they lose access to the EU which is about 4 times the population size of Russia, and same again for the US. China is pragmatic, and they don't want that difficulty in favour of propping up a failing regime.
Yeah the Trump regime is stupid and cant handle international relations. Why would China engage.
There is a Russian counter ultimatum, that Trump has enthusiastically embraced as glorious peace breakthrough: Ukraine must go back to resume Istanbul peace talks this week.
What rubbish ?😂😂😂
The EU is dictating terms now ???
It is so pathetic... I thought Russia was in maximum sanctions for 2 yrs already! These "leaders" do know better though, they just generate these acts with the hope something will get posted on their heavily subsidized media (it has been a decade since any publication can survive without being subsidized).
Russia is desperate to move one, Ukraine still in their delusion, but coming to terms with the reality, US wants to move on and the EU (north only) wondering how to maintain the war flame alive for 4 yrs and hope for a new Biden in 4 yrs. It won´t happen, here, in the US, people are increasingly getting tired of the billions spend abroad even in Israel, let alone in Ukraine (even though it most of that aid is in US weapons and services that Ukraine pays with the funds the EU gives). But yes, Macron does care that Russian-speaking in Donesk that for 11yrs have been disposed of all representation, cut from all social services and bombed daily will rejoin Kyiv like nothing happended.
the EU (north only) wondering how to maintain the war flame alive for 4 yrs and hope for a new Biden in 4 yrs.
Could you elaborate?
