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I thought with the explosion of electric power and windmills and the electric vehicle boom, fossil fuels would not be required..

Yet, a lot of countries still generate coal and other fossil fuels, is it because there is still filthy amounts of profit there to be made? Maybe they are just so used to it they don't wanna swap to another resource?

I thought with Solar panels being massively produced, it would sell like hot cakes and you're literally having the power of the sun in your hand.

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[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Also there are a lot of nation states that have little to no natural resources other than oil. So if there is ever a day that oil how's bust. Those nations will be irrelevant and their whole economy and purchase power on imports goes back 200 years.

There was a quote that is sometimes attributed to Sheikh Rashid but most likely not a real quote but it speaks the truth about those petostates.

"My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel"

[–] Ziggurat@jlai.lu 1 points 1 day ago

I think you're under estimated how much fossil fuel are used and the electricity production from solar and wind farm.

It's definitely possible to replace all fossil fuel by electricity, but it's a massive shift involving multiple nuclear power plants (or the green equivalent which is even more expensive/complicated) , not a few windfarm and solar panel over the parking lot. And today there is no political will to do such massive investment, let alone the NIMBY

[–] Goretantath@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago
[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

planes need oil, as do ships.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ships can use sail.

Also, we don't really need this much consumption.

[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You know how many ships are needed to transport the thousands of components in the vast supply chain of computer chips? its a lot

If shiping slows down, computer chips become more expensive. And the whole world relies on them for everything. That includes you.

i really doubt sail powered ships are as fast as oil powered ones

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Good. I want less consumerism. I know it will effect me, but I already do my best to minimize my impact. Hearing the whines up materialistic shits will only make it better.

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[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You're trying to move something with the inertia of an entire planet's economy, which represents an incredible, almost incomprehensible amount of effort. Inertia becomes an incredibly powerful force that inherently maintains the status quo when you're talking about huge systems with vast complexity. Yes, there are real challenges (which can be overcome) and yes there is real opposition from entrenched interests who stand to profit (or lose) significantly, and yes there are governments who are myopic and moving far too slowly. But most people underestimate the size of the role that sheer inertia plays. Not even just in this situation, but in all sorts of different situations, especially when you're talking about global issues or societal progress. Human minds and values cannot be changed with the snap of a finger. Individuals perhaps can, but as a civilization it often takes decades, or even centuries when the change is massive enough, even when technology itself moves much faster than that.

Even when the danger is clear, and the solution is obvious, and almost every government in the world agrees in a matter of weeks or months what approach they need to take (COVID-19), you can't push directly through the inertia of society itself without consequences. Look how shocking the backlash was, and arguably that backlash is still occurring and potentially contributed significantly to serious things like the spread of measles and even the re-election of Trump.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org -2 points 2 days ago

I thought with the explosion of electric power

I thought with Solar panels being massively produced

When you are young and you have your first real job and your first good paycheck, you may feel rich. But there's still a lot more money making the rounds in the world.

Not all of it is in your hands.

The world is so much bigger than you think.

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