ITT: a lot of non blahaj zone users hating blahaj zone
this post was submitted on 12 May 2025
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What if the causation is the other way around from how you think it is?
I don't follow the controversy over lemmy.ml but it seems to me that federation isn't about pushing one POV or suppressing another, it's about not using corporate media, right?
Federation is about what content you want to host on your server.
If you made a Lemmy server, say sidekick.lemmy, you'd have to make decisions about which sources of content to federate with. For example, if the Lemmy instance I just made up for this hypothetical called loli.network were posting child porn, then you'd have to make a decision whether to have child porn on your instance, manually remove all of it, or just defederate loli.network. Now imagine there's an instance called aryan.nation. Do you want swastikas and heil hitlers to be visible on your frontpage?
Ada promised her users that transphobia wouldn't be visible from lemmy.blahaj.zone. That's the issue.
No, federation is about content sharing. Choosing which content you want to share is a feature of lemmy software specifically.
I find that trashing on all of Lemmy development and lemmy.ml from nutomic's one questionable stance to be a little idiotic, but that's just my opinion. Those things are the work of more than just one person. Dessalines is a heavy lifter in moderation and development, and they're pretty decent. Various contributors have provided code/features, translations, apps and interfaces to Lemmy. Moderators of all server types have their own opinions on stuff.
But to an extent we all have to put that aside, because face it, perfectly sanitized opinions have nothing to do with code quality. We all have a couple shitty opinions, but what makes someone a decent human being and not a bigot is recognizing where their actions and opinions cause harm unto others and try to minimize that. This harm reduction can include changing actions and opinions, but it can also be keeping harmful actions and opinions away from people it would harm. This is where Ada probably sees banning nutomic from the instance as sufficient rather than all of .ml
Yeah, the whole China/Russia can do no wrong sort of thing is a pervasive problem on Lemmy.ml, but likewise they keep moderation of that to within the confines of their instance. The running costs of a server are virtually nothing compared to cost of working full-time to maintain software, so most donations don't really go to hosting the .ml server itself but rather to development. I don't personally agree with the .ml admins on many things, but I'll defend them for allowing others to run online communities how they want in return for letting every one of us do the same. I've likewise defended Ada's decisions on how they want to root out transphobia from their server, that's their choice, and so far it seems to have served Blahaj users well.
Personally the sooner we rip off that bandaid, the better. .ml is far from the only activity pub project out there, but they are absolutely one of the most toxic forces on the fediverse and seriously harm the on boarding experience for new users. Nutomic is a bigot and a liar and Dessalines is a cringe keyboard warrior and nobody would put up with them if they weren't writing code. But if Lemmy is no longer the only mature option for federated social media, why should we continue to tolerate their shit?
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I think this is an inconsistent move from the Blahaj team. They defederated feddit over one transphobic user who the admins wouldn't deal with. And I agree with that decision. They should make the same decision here. If lemmy.ml won't ban Nutomic, then it's clear they aren't interested in creating a safe environment for trans people.
Regardless of any funding question, I think every instance should be questioning federation with .ml over their acceptance of Nutomic. And that goes double for any instance committed to inclusivity, because they have a responsibility to their users to uphold the values those users expect.
I don't think it's inconsistent. My understanding is that the bad comments were in private messages and although they don't disown then or apologise for their views, they are not making transphobic comments in threads.
In the feddit case, transphobia discourse was active and unmoderated. I have no doubt that if that was the case for .ml, then blahaj would defederate.
There is no point in federation of you defederate from every instance with bad users. Ban the user, not the instance. In the case of an instance not moderating hateful content, ban the instance.
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Well said. Ada's stance is reasonable, and whoever keeps bringing this up should consider taking a trip to their account settings and blocking users, communities and instances to their hearts' desire instead of pressing others to do it for them.
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Ada makes the wrong decisions literally every time she has a moderation choice.
A coin would have a better track record.
She frequently gives in to trolls over users and bans anyone who dares criticize her
I can't beleive I used to want to participate in that space.
I was banned for questioning Ada if defederating from an instance because she does not like a mod from there is a wise choice (I think not, because isolationism never ends well for isolating community).
Then I got banned from the other blahaj for being banned by Ada ("transphobic").
Oh well.
I was banned from all of Bahaj for using “dude” then questioning if dude was the word someone was taking offense of and as the word I misgendered them with.
Meta-pronouns was already a bridge too far.
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Feddit.uk gets defederated for not responding to a single user's transphobia fast enough, while Lemmy.ml gets transphobic admins and no defederation.
Almost like it's petty Church Study Group power politics instead of principles driving this.
Agree, and I think the answer is less defederation not more.
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Seems like Blahaj has no issue with ML supporting russian genocidal imperialism and the way russia treats LGBT folks. It seems their concern about trans folks rights doesn't include Ukrainian trans folks (and Ukrainian LGBT folks more broadly) who were forced to leave the territories occupied by russia.
Compare that to the decision to defederate over a single post (that explicitly stated that everyone should be treated equally and not discriminated against) on feddit.uk.
For some reason the term orientalism comes to mind.
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