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[–] Lembot_0002@lemm.ee 53 points 2 weeks ago

Universal release rule: the program is considered released only after it is DRM-free.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 39 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Jup, I just never buy games with Denuvo these days.

Under Windows, the 5 machine activations per 24 hours limit they impose wasn't something I ever hit, but under Linux it's kind of easy because, as the article states, switching Proton versions counts as a machine activation to Denuvo.

Ah, Microsoft. Just when I thought you understood how to properly release a game with South of Midnight and TES: Oblivion Remastered: Steam Deck verified, no Denuvo or other intrusive DRM (doesn't mean the games are DRM free), available on multiple storefronts. Along comes Doom and they just couldn't resist Denuvo. Idiots.

[–] Lembot_0002@lemm.ee 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Along comes Doom and they just couldn’t resist Denuvo.

The important question is whether we, players, could resist Denuvo. Most of us fail in even more obvious shit-showeling.

[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Doom 2016 launched with a 44k player peak on Steam, Doom Eternal with a 100k peak and Doom: The Dark Ages only got a 30k peak.

Either most people play on Game Pass, think the game is too expensive, don't have raytracing compatible hardware or don't like Denuvo.

Whatever it is, the game doesn't seem to be doing so great.

[–] Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Eternal had Denuvo, but it was removed a year ago, so it probably doesn't have to do anything with the lower numbers on Steam.

My guess is mainly price and RT.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Or people didn't care about Denuvo back then, but they are more wary about buying games with Denuvo now.

[–] Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Dragons Dogma 2 has Denuvo and a 230k peak. Wukong has Denuvo and 2.4 million peak. FIFA 25, Denuvo, 110k peak (all three just from Steam).

"Normal people" don't care about DRM.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, maybe you're right.

[–] Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 weeks ago

Under Windows, the 5 machine activations per 24 hours limit they impose wasn’t something I ever hit, but under Linux it’s kind of easy because, as the article states, switching Proton versions counts as a machine activation to Denuvo.

That limit isn't mandatory with Denuvo and Doom apparently doesn't have it. On Steam some games mention a limit on the store page, like Atomfall, Atomic Heart or a few Assassin's Creed games.

The Dark Ages EULA does mention something like Denuvo "may" limit installations, but then never says anything else.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

why is there drm and anti cheating on a single player game

[–] ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

DRM - Copy protection Anti-cheat - Data harvesting, albeit Doom doesn't have one

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 weeks ago

This is why we don't support games with malware in them.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

ok, piracy it is then, thanks.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yep, this is an old problem with Denuvo, new proton version looks like a new system. I guess if the containerization is perfect, Denuvo won't be able to solve this and retain the same functionality.

[–] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 4 points 1 week ago

Cool i wont be buying it then. DRM only hurts legit customers

My inability to afford a GPU with raytracing is locking me out of the game.