I would love for instances focused on their own topics. mandra.xyz is all about science and exploration. The only reason we dont have a gaming focused instance is that we simply havent done it
this post was submitted on 12 Jun 2023
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Having just come from Reddit myself, I'm finding this really hard to wrap my head around. I initially jumped over and made a Kbin account and started looking around for ~~subreddits~~ "Magazines" to subscribe to. I found a few, then was surprised that I didn't see "Movie Suggestions", so I went ahead and created one thinking 'Okay, now it's around, I'll hold onto it for awhile and surely someone who used to moderate the old /r/moviesuggestions subreddit shows up, I can hand it off to someone as I have 0 knowledge or interest in doing any of that BS.
Eventually, I made a Lemmy account (here, I guess? I still have no idea what the fuck an "instance" is, or whatver this is...), and found that there already exists a Movie Suggestions ~~subreddit~~ "Community". So... are there like, 9000 Movie Suggestions ~~subreddits~~ whatevers for every instance/server of Lemmy and/or Kbin?
How in the fuck is that supposed to work, if everyone just creates their own thing?
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I'd say it's a problem that will solve itself. Beehaw's gaming communities seem to be doing better than Lemmy's, and I'd highly encourage giving them a look. Part of the greatness of the federation system is that we don't have to host EVERYTHING locally (and it's probably not desirable to).
After all, if Lemmy does some stuff really well, and Beehaw does some stuff really well, both of us can thrive together without both sides having to eat hosting costs for double hosting all the content.
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I just sub to both if I run into a sublemmy collision where both are sizable. It is a little weird and I'd like to see some clean way to merge them in the future (i.e. with content migration and redirects), but for now it is what it is.
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in b4 the meta "redundant posts about redundant communities across the fediverse" post π
This is a nothing burger. Who cares if there's a hundred different cat instances. That's already what it was.
There can only be one orange cat instance? Give it a fucking break
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My proposed solution to this issue is a way to group subscribed channels. Like if I sub to x number of Games communities I wish I could drop them all in a folder labeled Games so I could browse all of those posts in one spot.
UI would be like Communities -> Subscribed (All) -> "Individual" folder hierarchy containing w/e you want.
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This will probably take care of itself with time. Not having any "official" ones dictated by some central authority is kind of the whole idea of the fediverse.
Agreed - this was my initial concern as well but now that I've gotten used to the structure here it doesn't seem like an issue. The whole Digg > Reddit > "New Monolith" wasn't ever going to solve the problem of enshittification, it would just buy us some time, and probably not much at that. This feels a necessary paradigm shift, and the multiple overlapping communities really turns into a failsafe more than an inconvenience.
They all still populate the same on a feed if you're subbed anyway.
They donβt though, my feed of the same community looks different on each instance due to the vote counts being different
That's a fair point - I guess all I'm saying is that they all can show up within your feed if subbed to the same communities.
Admittedly, I didn't know there was a difference in vote counts when viewing across instances. I had assumed the votes would be synced to those accrued on the specific post's instance but it sounds like that may not be how it is done.
This is that part where people trying to bail on Reddit need to remember that this is NOT Reddit. Lemmy is similar to Reddit but is not designed to replace Reddit as a SINGULAR centralized entity ^hence, yknow, all the decentralized talk.^
If you only want one server, with one set of communities, there are alternatives in the works. If you want to use Lemmy, you need to shift your expectations. The entire point here is that while one c/aww may "win," you can still have your own c/aww on your instance as a completely separate entity that can be ran and moderated differently by different people, and person C can have their own c/aww again independent of the others.
You can follow one, you can follow all, but they remain separate communities on separate instances.
I understand the idea of keeping them separate and not forcing them to a single instance since that defeats the purpose of decentralization. But from a UI standpoint it would be nice if you could a user could create multi-communities or groups where the content from all the similar subs you put in them show up in a feed. So if say I want to see c/aww I can have a group I created with content from aww@lemmy.ml and aww@lemmy.world and awwwwww@sh.itjustworks etc.
If an instance dissappear or goes rogue and gets defederated that content just dissappear. I don't think that breaks the decentralization idea but solves the user problem.
Agreed. Federation is really, really nice for people who can grasp the concept quickly and bend the systems to their will, but its feeling like we may need some sort of intermediary step that allows power users to also help with outside discovery a bit.
Everyone seems to be getting the grasp of local communities easily enough, but being able to participate/pull down content from other sites and discovering them seems to be a big pain point. Lemmy has a better discoverability than most, but whichever sites can figure out how to do good UX for discoverability is gonna get a big leg up.
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I like to think of it as a bunch of Discord servers (in a way). Each server is run by the owner / their moderation and can have different channels and rules in said server.
The idea of a "super community" doesnt seem like a bad one, but I'd rather have it be an aggregation of said communities then making it all one thing.
... Like maybe super list of c/aww communities that you can subscribe to at once.
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@bfr0 There were also multiple gaming communities within reddit, lets face it. Can't herd people all into one place even if there's only one website they'll find a way to schism
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