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[-] Muffi@programming.dev 100 points 1 year ago

Fucking scary how quickly people are willing to denounce a protest, just because it causes slight inconvenience for the everyday citizen. THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT! We're so addicted to convenience, and the only way people will wake up from their consumption-hypnosis, is through forced inconvenience.

[-] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Nah, bro, protest all you want but far away from everyone,, where no one can see you /s

[-] kozy138@lemm.ee 65 points 1 year ago

I honestly believe blocking roads the most effective way to protest in today's society.

It's one of the few ways that's dreamed "illegal" to protest. And most governments will do anything in it's power to clear the roads, including imprison people.

People need to realize that being late to work doesn't actually matter, but the state of the climate does. We need more road blocks. Some without people too, just barricades.

[-] Milksteaks@midwest.social 23 points 1 year ago

The protests are pretty good and everything imo, but what needs to happen is burning down oil refineries or violence against CEOs and billionaires tbh. Nothing is going to change as long as the line continues to go up for the investor class

[-] mambabasa@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 year ago
[-] bermuda@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

As long as they let emergency vehicles through

[-] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago

That's a given on all public gatherings. Emergency vehicles (i.e. ambulance and fire brigade) have to have way of right, but people know that.

[-] rigglesbee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

People also need to realize that you're not just making people late to work by blocking roads. There are people going to receive medical care, emergency services, picking up their children, buying food, and otherwise providing for their families. I'm not saying these problems don't need attention, but please find another way.

[-] sjmulder 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This blockade isn’t preventing any of that, there are small diversions. A mild inconvenience at worst.

Roads are regularly closed for events (which do not enjoy constitutional protection as a human right, as protests do) and roadworks.

Finally the other ways are being done. There was a simultaneous protest on a field nearby. There are regular marches, die-ins, sit-ins - you name it, it’s being done.

[-] mambabasa@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is customary to allow emergency services to pass through blockades. But for other people, interrupting the economy is literally the point. The economy is destroying the means of habitability of this planet.

[-] foo@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago

You can make arguments like this for all forms of protests and the planet continues to burn.

What is an acceptable level of protest? Joining r/climatechange and upvoting the circle jerk?

[-] sirjash@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

What are you suggesting? That people find a way that doesn't impact anything in any way and can easily be ignored? And today's climate protests are easily the most non-violent protests the West has seen in a long time.

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[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

A protest that isn't inconveniencing anybody isn't a protest

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[-] sjmulder 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Be aware that street blockade are not, as a rule, categorically excluded as a valid way of protesting and that this stretch to road is not in fact a highway - a sign says a much and the speed limit is 50km/h. There are traffic lights at both ends and detours are just a few 100 meters.

Furthermore the public prosecutor doesn’t charge the protestors because judges have ruled repeatedly that these are peaceful and orderly protests and hence people are acquitted or not sentenced.

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[-] guriinii@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

I saw a video of this and these police are firing the water cannons at children and families, which is just horrible.

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[-] Hank@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago

The thumbnail makes it look like a fun water party.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 7 points 1 year ago

It only depends on the side of the canon.

[-] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 20 points 1 year ago

Police said that they're fine that they're protesting the system, but that they wish it didn't involve them having to act. They don't realize that they're part of the system...

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

if i was dutch police, I wouldn't have done that. It seems Squack.y

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[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@Blake@feddit.uk Thought you'd be interested in this story: dutch folks were protesting fossil fuel subsidies and got water cannoned. All of this fossil fuel subsidy money could build out carbon free energy generation and transmission.

[-] Blake@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the level of state investment and subsidy in fossil fuel is absolutely ludicrous. If all of the money spent on subsidising fossil fuels was instead put into investment of renewables, that would DOUBLE the investments on renewables. It wouldn’t double the subsidy, it would double TOTAL SPENDING.

That is absolutely eye-watering to me.

If they want to keep fuel prices low, the best thing to do would be to nationalise all corporations in the fossilfuel industry - with a symbolic payment of $0.01 per share or something like that - and run them to completely forego profit and to put those companies intentionally into decline.

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