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How much of a handicap are they willing to give themselves? I want to see all the details lol

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

taiwan should simulate unification

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 11 hours ago

democratic island

Mainstream media is such a joke lmao.

[–] gorikan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How anyone serious can side with taiwan, other than maybe some nazis, is beyond me.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago

either that or being very misinformed

[–] folaht@lemmy.ml 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

US/UK/EU/AU/NZ Media:

"Taiwan is freedom and democracy."
"China is authoritarian. (Shows footage of police retaliating against ultra-aggressive Hong Kong rioters or journalists doing reporting on the middle of a busy road or someone's garden before being ushered away by traffic cops or security)"

Done.

[–] gorikan@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

I get the propaganda but even some serious people seem to buy these images. They of course dont look to LA, for some pure democracy to compare to.

[–] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml 7 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Well most of Taiwan is ready to unify, it's mostly the ruling class propped up by the US opposed to it. With the issues they have created for Taiwanese semiconductor companies there are probably even former loyalists ready to turn tail and run.

It's really the US - which can only dream of a war across the Pacific now - which wants a military confrontation. Mainland China will become too lucrative for Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea to ignore the more the US financial stranglehold starts to slip & China develops. Peaceful reunification is inevitable and war is merely possible now

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

No doubt that the elites don't want reunification, but it seems like the population doesn't want it either. I couldn't find any poll that had more than 11-15% of people in favor of reunification.

[–] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml 10 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Here I'll ping you when I pull it up and make a full post about it, I really only do nude links through the share button and arguing on my phone lol. Polls are funny it really depends on what questions you ask people, and who you ask

Think of it this way, who in Taiwan is ready to go without the mainland economy? Who is ready for war? Who believes the US will be more reliable in the future? Would be better to support it with data but I am lazy. Those who want to maintain a separate system for Taiwan see the mainland as a better partner than the US, and long term hardliners' fears of reunification will be realized in the political situation that develops out of the new Pacific centered around China rather than the US, as finance adjusts to recognize it

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Thanks!

Well to address the second paragraph: Most polls show a plurality to want to maintain the Status Quo: de facto Independence, dealing with both the Mainland and the US. I would not go so far as to call that "ready for unification".

[–] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml 7 points 21 hours ago

Not cutting out the US doesn't matter if it has nothing to offer other than Nancy Pelosi lol. I'll have to look into polling more later but it's not the whole basis of what I'm talking about, rather the lack of hostilities and the economic crosslinking with the mainland. There's a reason the US is frantic to push for a war it can't have, they can't provide any alternative system long-term even if they're included

[–] gorikan@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (4 children)

I get why government opposing china would, what I dont get is regular people who are serious about this. Sure there is the propagandized herd, but even some smarter people I know seem to have weird sinophobic preconceptions about this. All europeans.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

regular people from the imperial core want things to stay as they are because the current status quo benefits them more often than not.

[–] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml 14 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The Euros on here are crazy, over on dbzero Germans are trying to convince me that it was good for their green revolution to destroy their nuclear power, destroy their largest source of fossil fuels, and that evil Russians destroyed their green industrial capacity and made them sanction China's green industry

[–] gorikan@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I second that my german friend seems by far most against china, hes quite educated so especially on taiwan he conceded the international law, but idk why german media is so biased on this.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 13 hours ago

they just don't want a stronger china that challenges the world financial dictatorship whom germany forms part of.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's wild, I got the screenshot generated by the archive.today website itself & sat there archiving it smdh

It should work now I just rearchived it