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[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 61 points 10 months ago

Wow, somehow this is the first time I realized that Elron operates an ISP. Not exactly my first choice for someone to trust with my data or activity.

[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You can already see how incredibly irresponsibly he is using it in Ukraine. He turned it off at some point because he didn’t like what Ukraine was about to do (go on the offensive) and has recently refused to activate the service for the crimea area, unilaterally hampering the war effort of a sovereign nation engaged in a defensive war, even acting against the foreign policy of the United States. This degree of agenda and control over geopolitical affairs is unacceptable to have for a private person. A legislative body of some sort should have complete oversight over whom he turns off the internet for.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

He turned it off at some point because he didn’t like what Ukraine was about to do (go on the offensive) and has recently refused to activate the service for the crimea area, unilaterally hampering the war effort of a sovereign nation engaged in a defensive war

Except none of that is true.

It was always off. The biographer has retracted the statement, Ukraine has provided no proof it was ever on (e.g we used it in op prior to this one successfully), and their contract stated that offensive use was not allowed.

That wasn't recent either, it was winter 2022, and the DoD has since signed a contract with SpaceX taking control of those dishes, allowing Ukraine to do what they want, which by the way, is how it should have always been, but the DoD dragged their feet.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 15 points 10 months ago

I hate Musk with the fury of a thousand Suns and totally can believe that he'd do that. However,

https://www.thewrap.com/elon-musk-biographer-retracts-account-starlink-russia-ukraine/

It does look like you're correct.

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Nationalize Starlink!

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

FYI you shouldn't trust any ISP with your traffic.

Get a VPN

[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

That means you're trusting the VPN company with your traffic. It's not clear whether that's better or not.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

There are VPNs out there that have been taken to court to provide information and they couldn't provide anything when compelled because there was nothing to provide.

But ya, if you choose a bad one then it's can be a problem.

[-] UPGRAYEDD@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Its clearly "better". Its 2 levels of abstraction instead of one. And one of them claims to hold or record any data. It however is just a claim.

So the key is that a vpn is better, but is it good enough? Alot of the awnswer is going to depend on how nefarious your usage is and how much effort is worth to find out.

[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

The ISP's ability to watch all your traffic is removed in favor of the VPN company, so it's still 1 level, isn't it? The thing is one has no idea how much data they retain or what they do with it. For all we'd know the VPN company could be operated directly by the CIA or whatever.

[-] Serdan@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

ISP's are regulated. I think it's fairly common that they're required to hold on to all traffic data for some period of time. Makes it much easier for cops to investigate piracy and such.

As for the trustworthiness of VPN's, there are ways of evaluating that without just blindly trusting them.

[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

That's what I was wondering, whether laws (varying by country of course) required VPNs to also hold data for some period of time. I could picture some people using a sketchy VPN that's actually worse than their ISP, too.

[-] Serdan@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Not as far as I know, but even if your country regulates VPNs, you can just use one from another country.

I've used Mullvad previously. They're very good about privacy. You can even pay with crypto if you're extra paranoid.

[-] jopepa@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Elron might be the best bit of wordplay I’ve seen in ages! You have yourself a great week zeppo.

Edit: Pardon the downvote just wanted to upvote twice.

[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I can't really tell if you're serious, but anyway, thanks! I hope your weekend is lovely as well.

[-] jopepa@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Very serious, name mashing two ego maniacs with too much money and too little sense in a simple but very unexpected way is very good.

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 56 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Elon is suing space for loss of revenue

[-] tty5@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

Space jews, you know the ones with lasers causing wildfires

[-] yoz@aussie.zone 5 points 10 months ago

🤣🤣 $200 billion will make that happen

[-] EpsilonVonVehron@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

You can tell when Musk is lying. He starts to stutter.

[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

That's unrespectful! It is known that he is not able to capture the nuances of the portions of his brain perceiving reality!

[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 16 points 10 months ago

So he was only off by an order of magnitude.

[-] ForestOrca@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

And what's an order a magnitude amongst friends?
Note: I came here to say what you already said. LoL

[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago

Lol cheers!

[-] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 15 points 10 months ago

That's almost a shame. My rural relatives deserve a decent internet connection, too. However, this is Elon we're talking about...

[-] Rhaedas@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

In before he claims that's why we shouldn't help other countries who declare war (on innocent countries implied, ignoring who invaded whom).

[-] KeyserSoze61@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

He is the most successful snake oil salesperson ever. He promises everything, and then delivers 10% of it 5 years late. Yet investors keep throwing money at him.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Tee hee.

#fuckyourdividends

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