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(and why conservatives hate public schools, ofc)

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 55 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Adulterating consumable foods has been a thing for a really long time. From tea having poisonous weeds mixed in the 1600s to milk having chalk or other toxic stuff in it. Commercial interests put profit first and “cut” the product to extend profitability.

Good thing they’re cutting oversight like the FDA in the US. That’ll work out great.

[–] tunetardis@piefed.ca 15 points 4 days ago (4 children)

This reminds me of a story my dad told me. His school went on a field trip to an ice cream factory and he was, of course, expecting this to be the best day of his life. What he discovered, though, left him mortified. They were taking poor-selling flavours and running them back through the machine to change them to something better. If you buy some store brand chocolate and it has undertones of mocha, now you know why. I think of this now whenever I see a product that "may contain peanuts". Like they're not sure.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 53 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Corporations would sell you a bag of dirt and gravel from the lot outside and call it granola if they could get away with it.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We literally had to outlaw slavery. That should tell you everything you need to know about supposed self-regulation.

[–] piefood@feddit.online 11 points 4 days ago

Well, we didn't really outlaw it. We made it only legal under certain conditions.

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." - emphasis mine

Your point still stands though

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Talking to a Libertarian is like talking to a child.

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Every self-proclaimed libertarian I ever met gave me a different reason why they're a "libertarian", bashed fake libertarians, say they're the only TRUE libertarian, then voted Republican.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 3 days ago

I remember thinking I was a libertarian for a few years after I realized the conservative world I was raised in was nuts.

What I had essentially done, though, was shed the bigotry first because I cared about people, while keeping the conservative/capitalist economic mindset because accumulation of assets and efficient use of capital are just what good human beings strive for in that world. I’m a Libertarian! I am pure and very intelligent!

But then that pesky thing about respecting the lives of other people never left my head. And my eyes and ears kept working while the last couple decades happened. And I unfortunately value annoyances like high quality evidence, demonstrated expertise, and the scientific method.

It didn’t take long to connect the dots that the policies that are best for short-term capital and those that are best for sentient human beings (never mind all other life) may not always align, and that choosing the former over the latter is kinda… what’s the word… evil.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Yeah, they're Republicans with even more brain damage and not a single one understands how societies work.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Libertarian: I can't hear you with so much money I have!

Libertarians are only in tiny minority of US population, and most of them are earning roughly $100,000 a year. Of course they will support absolute laissez faire society.

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[–] tomcatt360@lemmy.zip 53 points 5 days ago (3 children)

William Osman did this experiment a few years ago. (YouTube link)

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Most entertaining 12 minutes of my life i will never get back.

[–] tomcatt360@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

You're welcome!

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 12 points 5 days ago

He shows this exact picture in the video as his inspiration

[–] MuckyWaffles@piefed.social 14 points 5 days ago

This video will forever be a certified classic in my mind.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Schools still assign Upton Sinclair? I can tell you for certain that mine did not, likely because they were busy suppressing any mentions of socialism.

Hey why do they call it an "ecomomics" class anyway, shouldn't they just call it capitalism if that's the only thing they teach?

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

at my high school they made us read fucking ayn rand

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

We were required to read Ayn Rand.

yeah it's wild how many schools skip over Sinclair! The Jungle literally led to the creation of the FDA because people were horrified by the meat industry. Schools that only teach "economics" without covering labor history are missing half the story. My high school tried that too - all Adam Smith, no context about why regulations exist in the frist place.

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[–] mriswith@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I've seen a youtube video about that, and from what I remember it's was detectable as soon as it went over 10% or so. Although a corporation could easily get it over 10% without issue if they used the right particle size, mixing technique and treatement of the sawdust.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if some cheap seasoning is partially sawdust or similar.

[–] angband@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

e.g., cellulose, added to kraft parmesan as an "anti-caking agent."

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[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 days ago (3 children)

There's a bag of "bacon flavored bits" at Walmart that's just sawdust seasoned to taste like bacon.

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[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

It's fine, just list it as "cellulose" on the ingredients list.

(It's not technically sawdust anymore after processing, but it's still gross even though it's food-safe.)

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean, it's not free, but yes, edible sawdust would be good for the health of most people in the western world. Though they tend to get cellulose from cheaper sources like straw or chaff.

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[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago (7 children)

I think I remember someone on reddit actually doing this and the result was waaaaaaaay more than you think.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

Libertarian sub reddits don't self regulate

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[–] tunetardis@piefed.ca 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I sort of picture this when I see bread or tortillas marketed as high fibre even when they contain no whole grains.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Tortillas made from 100% recyclable, free-range, gluten-free, non-GMO, hand-raised sawdust that complies with the Geneva Conventions.

[–] JSGale@beehaw.org 9 points 5 days ago

Apparently a lot of artificial flavors are used to mask the taste of industrial metals and chemicals. So, yeah...

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Back in my day, we just discussed what wrote in The Jungle. They didn’t have us read it.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Probably because of all the socialism.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I didn't learn until well into adulthood that food safety wasn't actually the message Upton Sinclair was trying to get across.

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