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Westerners need to realize that this also extents to the countries that support Israel. If you still support the USA, or the UK, or Germany, there is as much something wrong with you as a person as any Israel supporter.
Lol you think the West has just become the baddies?
100% this. it's a pill many people still don't want to swallow. how you could deny there's a genocide and Israel is a bad actor is beyond me. there's literal children who know better
Not after the IDF gets to them...
Supporting Israel at any time was wrong. Israel is an invader.
100% agree.
but want to sprinkle a wee bit of nuance.
Israel had (and still has) a massive propaganda campaign.
given information available, it would be easy for most people to come up with a vague "both sides" issue, or "they are terrorists and Israel is doing what it can to protect civilians from jihadi islamists"... Unless someone tried digging a bit and learn for themselves.
However, after this latest phase of the genocide, everyone has seen dismembered babies, the endless humanitarian nightmares. and it wasn't hiding anywhere, everyone on practically every social media saw it.
After this genocide, the only way anyone could support Israel, is if they have serious deficiency in some basic human emotions.
Yep. Ignorance is normal, but this genocide has been so blatant, proud, prolonged and prominent in media and institutions (e.g. ICC) that for most people, ignorance is no longer a reasonable excuse.
Even in 850 BCE they were genociding the Canaanites.
What 2025?
This monstrosity should've never been created.
Don't make these sweeping generalizations!
Just because I don't support Israel doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with me as a person! /s
I mean, there's definitely something wrong with me as a person. But it's not because I don't support Israel!
Netanyahu must be stopped. And Israel supporters too. Maybe the UK should take all Israelis people and give back the land tho its rightful owners… free Palestine!
Not gonna lie, I feel like 2025 is way too generous. The only reason so many people are suddenly opposing Israel is because the overturn window has shifted and it is no longer popular to support Israel.
USA and their puppets murdered millions directly and dozens, perhaps hundreds of millions indirectly since WW2. But they also control the biggest propaganda apparatus in history which specialty is manufacturing consent for all those atrocities. The case of current phase of Palestinian genocide is the first example the apparatus failed, and it can be felt since it still hold for all other atrocities perpetrated by US.
Hell, even in this thread in generally left leaning instance we still have people defending and relativising even this genocide and its direct perpetrators.
overton window is idealist bs "marketpalce of ideologies". Propaganda is only effective if there isnt explict in your face contradictions AND people are doing well materially.
Yes, censorship to the point of creating information bubble is the main method, and it can be really terrifyingly successful even in XXI century, just look at Poland, we are like this because to even hear that the alternatives exist, you need to dig the internet hard. People doing well materially, i don't think it's explicitly needed, or at least not in the timelapses counted even in decades. Yet again Poland is an example, 90's was a disaster of broken capitalist promises but to quell the unrest a traitorous succdems were instrumental.
imo i wouldnt say it’s about popularity and more about israel just being unable to really hide what they’re doing anymore. now its at the point where your average apolitical normie is seeing babies get their limbs blown off on their tiktok feed.
they had a lot more plausible deniability before their genocide was being live streamed.
as long as leftists have known about how fucked up israel is, your average truly “apolitical” person only knew the israel propaganda painted about it. now they see thats not true and thats a good thing
your average truly “apolitical” person only knew the israel propaganda painted about it.
Or, were informed that it was just 'a religious war'.
Or it might have something to do with the fact they are shooting starving unarmed civilians standing in line for bread, shooting starving unarmed civilians with fucking tanks
Yes.
Or as I prefer to phrase it, anyone who can look at what Israel is doing in Gaza without feeling horror, pity and revulsion is a monster.
Israel government is especially bad but i would like to extend this to pretty much any government around the world. The genocide in gaza is possible only thanks to the support and aid of other states.
If you're still supporting your government in 2025, there's something wrong with you as a person, you are most likely too selfish and don't care much about others.
2025? I guess better late than never because no one in their right mind should ever support this violent ethno-nationalist exclusionary apartheid state.