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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The SP500 hitting highs is a lot less good news when you realize most of that is simply due to the dollar devaluing against other international currencies.

That isn't asset appreciation, it's currency devaluation.

EDIT:

I m on mobile and don't have the ability to make my own chart with DXY and SP500 normalized to each other, but uh...

https://portfolioslab.com/tools/stock-comparison/%5EDXY/SPY

Look at this in YTD, then in 1Y, then 5Y.

Normally, these two things move in the same dirrction, though the SP500 tends to grow much more when the DXY grows a little.

Well, now, basicslly since Trump took office, they're moving in the opposite direction.

So, yeah, this is now what is called a 'melt up', where stocks climb higher, but not because of any kind of underlying fundamental strength of the US economy but because the USD has lost about 10% of its value compared to the currencies it most often is traded against.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

When the nixon administration abandoned the gold standard, stock prices rose, too. It's the same mechanism: avoid having cash as the currency devalues.

Is it atypical to learn this in school?

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

In American schools?

Normal public schools?

Economics is an elective, only available at fairly good schools, usually only taken by overachievers.

Most US Public schools don't even teach the basics of taxes or finances as it applies to an average person who is going to like, work a job that is taxed, buy a car with a loan.

Our education system has been intentionally destroyed by Republican s for decades, the result is that roughly within +/- 2 years of when I graduated college... US average adult literacy rate has been plummeting.

The average US adult now reads at a 6th grade level, average math skills are also terrible.

Uneducated people are easier to lie to and trick.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The average US adult now reads at a 6th grade level

Read this statistic recently, and while not surprising, it is shocking. I remember when I was young, the average was an 8th grade reading level. And I thought that was terrible.

I had an 8th grade reading level in the 4th grade for crying out loud, meaning the average American reads at a lower level than I could in elementary school.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What does nth grade reading level even mean? Why doesn't it get corrected to an average of what is actual? In the context of adults I can understand, but I think I've heard things like Xrh graders having an average reading level as Yth graders. But if the average reading level of Xth grades is something (like some amount of words), why isn't that what an Xth grade reading level is?

I hope that makes sense. Like if you everyone how their school experience is and they all believe they had a "worse than average" experience, clearly about half are incorrect.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What does nth grade reading level even mean?

Very broadly, a lower grade of reading level means:

Less broad vocabularly,

Less ability to use and comprehend more complex grammar and sentence structure,

Less critical analysis capability,

Less ability to understand context and domain specific, different meanings of words,

More reliance on nebulouy defined, vague slang vocabulary.

In the context of adults I can understand, but I think I've heard things like Xrh graders having an average reading level as Yth graders.

This means that say, a typical 8th grader now has reading/writing abilities on par with a 6th grader.

In other words, kids keep failing classes and getting passed onto the next grade anyway, instead of being held back, or sent into some kind of 'catch-up' or 'remedial' classes to get them up to standard.

...

Teachers and the education system broadly have, you know, rubrics, standards, lists of concepts that a kid is supposed to be taught in each class and grade.

This is how 'grading' works, the idea is that your test is supposed to evaluate how successful the student was at learning, how succesful the course was at actually teaching the student new concepts.

The main problem is that we underfund teachers and schools, and also punish teachers and schools when they actually do the right thing and refuse to pretend a kid has learned things they haven't.

So, the result is, kids don't learn.

...

Semi-relevant rant about smart phones in the class room

Another recent contributor to this is just pandemic levels of kids on their phones in class, all the time, not paying attention.

What you should do is something like ok, if I see your phone in class once, it gets taken away for the rest of the class, two times, the rest of the day, 3 times, you have to surrender your phone to the office when you get to school and get it back when school is over.

But students and parents literally respond like feral zombies when you propose this, despite this being the norm throughout the proliferation of cellphones, and early days of smartphones.

There's nothing stopping you from using a phone responsibly. Set it on vibrate, if you get an actual important txt or call, ask to step outside the class and take the call/message.

Schools also have landline phones for emergencies.

Another thing is that short form video content addiction does actually cause brainrot, it is real, its been shown in numerous academic studies.

Lower attention spans, lower impulse control, less control over emotions, and shortform video content platforms in particular also spread misinfo and disinfo like wildfire.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 31 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Daily reminder that "higher GDP is good for the economy" is now a wildly disproven myth from the days before economics was a science, by a guy who said we'd get a 15 hour work week.

Monetary inflation is bad. The nitwits who jump in saying "ackchually velocity" are suckers who paid to learn the lie, whose jobs may depend on the lie, and would be very embarrassed to be wrong. Bailouts weren't the exception - they're the rule.

We've been robbed by the 0.1% and don't need to take it anymore.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Adding to this: GDP only measures the amount of money spent on stuff, not the actual value of the things. That's one of the reasons that makes economists think untouched nature is bad, it doesn't contribute to the GDP

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Two economists are walking in the woods when they see a pile of bear shit.

One says to the other "I'll pay you $500 to pick up that shit."

The other agrees, but immediately regrets it. He says he'll pay the other $500 to take it from him. The other agrees.

The first thinks for a moment and says to the second "I think we're both worse off than before we started this walk."

The second, hands full of bear shit, is shocked and yells "What do you mean, we just increased the GDP by $1000!"

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[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Canadian here, what's "AfterPay"? and PLEASE don't tell me it's like layaway or a payday loan or something.

[–] Denalduh@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago

That's exactly what it is.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

Yeah, basically a payday loan you can do from your phone. I'm sure this won't crash the economy.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 days ago

Okay.

It's an app. Can't tell you any more than that.

[–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 days ago

Oh it trickles down. Just not money, but at least it's warm and golden 🙏

[–] Flagg76@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That's by design, the money flows from the average American to the companies. Then slowly trickles into the pockets of the ceo's.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago

Money is just abstracted fungiblized value.

It's stealing more of the value you produce. Me@ning you get less

Until chains of debt guilt and terror make you effectively a slave.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"Slowly"

[–] Flagg76@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Slowly as in, the Niagara falls slowly trickle water.

[–] Seefoo@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Legit rules of the trickle

  1. Trickle tomorrow
  2. No trickle? See Rule 1
[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 13 points 6 days ago

Oh, I feel something trickling down alright.

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's like Robin Hood in reverse.

[–] NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Robin Socks

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago

Robin facial recognition algorithm and randomly spraying your head with water.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 8 points 6 days ago

It's trickle up. You can see the cone in section 2. Increase h and the trickle trickles.

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