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Going all-in on a Wayland future (blogs.kde.org)

submitted 4 weeks ago by ashleythorne@lemmy.world to c/kde@lemmy.kde.social

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Well folks, it’s the beginning of a new era: after nearly three decades of KDE desktop environments running on X11, the future KDE Plasma 6.8 release will be Wayland-exclusive! Support for X11 applications will be fully entrusted to Xwayland, and the Plasma X11 session will no longer be included.

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[–] idriss@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

X11 is already dead IMO, if you didn't move yet (still on i3wmfor example), it's time to upgrade.

[–] U@piefed.social 4 points 4 weeks ago

I'm proudly retro computing then. X serves me well.

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If things work for the user then I don't see the need to upgrade just for the sake of upgrading. Future is with Wayland for sure but if things are okay for them right now, not that much reason to switch

[–] idriss@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Definitely. The only problem is when things start being breaking for X11, it will a forced less pleasant upgrade.

Just like everyone can use Win XP, but none of latest software like browsers support XP. So do it at own paste now or be forced to upgrade later.

[–] thor@mast.ttk.is 1 points 3 weeks ago

@idriss @Saapas It's still an upgrade we've known for over two decades that we needed. The X protocol is inherently insecure by design - showing its age. If Wayland manages to nudge us a little closer to the reality of today, that's a good thing - even if it comes bundled with some diaper rash.

[–] aerion@nerdculture.de 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

@idriss
Some things just don't work properly on Wayland. For example, #NoMachine remote #Plasma desktop sessions connect, show a white screen, then disconnect. Switching to an X11 session solves the problem. This is a showstopper, so I'm sticking with X.Org.
@ashleythorne

[–] idriss@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Fair

but this is more of the NoMachine not doing the upgrade than Wayland having issues. I guess the closes thing in Wayland is now https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/man1/waypipe.1.html over ssh or simply go nuclear with full screen sharing / control with RustDesk.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

We are at a weird place right now. The original problem solved by x11 is more relevant than ever. The security model, however, is not.

[–] jad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What is that problem? I'm not knowledgeable about those protocols.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Basically X11 lets everything it does talk to everything else it does. There’s minimal isolation and there’s not a clean way to do that in x11 without fundamentally changing how it works and breaking compatibility. There were also other issues to were too messy to solve without breaking things. So it was better to just start over. And now we have Wayland.

One example of this is you could have Firefox and a terminal window up in an x11 environment and Firefox could theoretically see everything you are typing in the terminal window.

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

I think they wanted to know about the original problem solved by X11

[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

I wish I could be excited for this, but there are still many things missing or buggy in Wayland.

[–] markstos@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

I assumed this stage had already happened.