Yeah congratulations, this isn’t a well organised social movement. It’s ab outburst of years of pent up frustration. They’re not trying to achieve any specific goals here. Yet again, you fundamentally misunderstand what riots are about and then condescendingly whine that it’s not a focused effort at bringing about societal change - while that’s not what it was from the start. You keep droning on about long term goals, but you just don’t understand that this is an outburst after years of taking it on the chin.

It’s like someone who’s been mistreated by their partner for year, and who now lashes out and starts kicking and screaming - meanwhile you’re on the sidelines saying that they should engage in a constructive dialogue. Ok cool, that would be nice in an ideal world, but that wasn’t going to happen here.

this pointless violence because of “reasons”

Ah dope, you’re clearly trying to understand the background here.

And then you wonder why left wing voters turn to the right.

Nah, I understand perfectly well why people turn to right wingers. They’re unburdened by the need for truth, so they can twist this into whatever populist narrative they like. Add onto that that a whole lot of leftists are actually spineless neolibs who wear red, and there you are. However, what you’re implying here is problematic. Either I should completely agree with your take (which is funnily largely in line with what liberals (not leftists) would say, or in aiding and abetting the far right. Yeah ok lmao.

but it’s the reason why so many people from minority backgrounds end up voting for Le Pen, because they’re fed up of living like this.

Correct, this is a product of liberals pretending they care about everyone while not wanting to change the status quo, thereby keeping minorities under their heel. When this (inevitably) goes awry, right wing reactionaries are there to capitalise on that inherent hypocrisy. However, that does not mean we shouldn’t try to understand how this came to be, and that we shouldn’t be empathetic. Otherising minorities and bending over backward to not understand their motivations and frustrations (like you’re doing) is exactly what right wingers want and do.

And yet again, I want to emphasise that I don’t like this violence, it won’t lead to change, and reactionaries will use it to their advantage. All of that’s sad to tragic, but that doesn’t mean these riots aren’t understandable. And that’s what you’re missing; you recognise it won’t do too much to help their cause, and because of that you dismiss everything about it entirely. That’s why you can’t possibly fathom why people in Brussels are rioting as well. That’s why you bang on about it not being effective activism. It’s because you fundamentally don’t seem to (want to) understand how and why riots and social unrest come to be.

Also, something I forgot to add; Le Pen and co will make up a narrative regardless of the situation. “They’ll use this to their advantage” isn’t really a convincing point, because if nothing real is happening they’ll just make something up. What’s more, the narrative they spin about this will mostly be lies anyway, as it always is.