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[–] ghostlychonk@lemmy.world 85 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Microsoft did one good thing: they finally got me to jump to a Linux based OS on my PC.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago

You're absolutely right about this. I jumped ships too.

[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Why did they not just keep windows 10, change the background picture and icons and call it windows 11?

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

What's that? More AI? -Microsoft-

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 96 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 2 points 3 days ago

They updated the Lens app (pretty much the best scanning app available) UI and haven't enshittified it! I call that a win! I wish I could now pin it to a specific version on the play store.

[–] paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 days ago

Did they really need ai to make a dumpster fire with the Microsoft logo for them. Jesus Christ pay someone to spend 30 minutes in an online Photoshop clone. I'm so sick of ai images.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I maintain that Microsoft peaked with Windows 3.1 and they've been fucking it up ever since.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think peak was XP.

Vista was shit. 7 was alright, but not better than XP. 8 was terrible. 10 was worse than 7, but still meh. 11 is dog shit.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip -1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

XP was when everything went to shit. It was awful and all the enshittification began right there.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

XP was the first consumer OS with the NT kernel which was far far more reliable than win32 in the previous ones. I remember people bragging that they could leave their computer running and it wouldn't crash -and that seemed crazy. I used windows 2000 for many years as a stripped down XP, but not many people got it. I think the interface peaked around 95, but the kernel was terribly unreliable.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

My main focus (apart from zero security and horrible multi user) was all the anti consumer additions they put into it.

XP was so bad, that I left it for linux shortly after it came out.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

98* was pure garbage. You could literally bypass the login screen on 98 because it had no real user account and tokens, just profiles for convenience. Driver support was awful, there was no memory protection so drivers constantly caused bsod. XP was the first time the consumer desktop got the NT foundation, meaning real user/session security, far better stability under load, and way fewer “one program crashed, so the OS is toast” moments.

XP had its problems too, it's still Windows afterall and Windows was always garbage. But 98 was awful.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

Yes 98 was terrible. 2000 wasn't so bad.

But XP started the data harvesting, the lying to users, the forced applications, and so much more.

On top of even worse security than 2000 (also nt) had.

I could go on for days how bad it was.

[–] Lee@retrolemmy.com 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think you're mixing up ME and 2000. ME (consumer) came after 98 (consumer) and 2000 (business) was the NT (business) version. I ran 2000 for a few years. Huge step up from 98/ME in stability and less eye candy bloat than XP.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No, I'm not.

98, 98se, and ME are all 9x, pre NT.

Windows 2000 was NT, but it was server and business focused, so I left it out as most people did not run 2000 on their personal computers. XP was the first consumer targeting Windows with NT, and it was a huge step up in security and stability over 9x, despite how awful it was.

I'm not praising XP, I'm just refuting that 98 was great. It was hot garbage, and you could run a very secure and stable Linux distro back then, we stuck with windows back then because Wine wasn't mature (Proton/bottles didn't exist), the hardware wasn't good enough for good emulation, and we needed binary compatibility because we wanted the windows exclusives. We never used Windows 98 because it was a good OS, we used it because it came with every computer you bought and all the software you wanted ran on it.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You literally wrote 2000 in the first line.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

You're right, I'm sorry. That was a mistake.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Having played around with it recently, I have to say the ui was pretty bad (try it: https://www.pcjs.org/software/pcx86/sys/windows/3.11/ ) Go to Windows 95 and you get all the basic desktop ui principals that modern desktops use.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

I grew up with it so to me, the UI was great.

I'm from the line command era.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago

my older brother thinks they peaked with win 95. I think they peaked with Win 98 SE.

[–] imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works 29 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

The company was literally founded on the principal of “thanks for all the free software I learned on, from this point forward, everyone needs to pay (me) for everything and sharing is bad”. Sort of paraphrased from Bill Gates email to the hobbyists. Then it got big by selling vapourware based on nepotism and then nearly stealing a product to fill the order. Then they got their fingers into legislators and it got worse for everyone.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Moving from a shitty proprietary web renderer to participate in Chromium development was an improvement.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 45 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I disagree. Doing so reduced the amount of diversity in rendering engines and reinforced the idea that lazy site owners don't have to test against more than one browser. That's a loss for the Web as a whole.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Tried that browser on Linux. It crashes when you save a file. It doesn't let you click on the URL bar to edit it (only keyboard works). "If it compiles, it ships, no testing needed"

[–] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 days ago

Their Linux marketing department seems to have been quite effective over the last year.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

buying into rust was good and will hopefully prove the language further

not going to save them but can make their platform better for those that don't move to linux

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

The dumped legacy protocols and defaults that were insecure. That’s pretty big for a company that historically doesn’t do that.

[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are some decent performance and memory improvements in .Net 10, particularly around iterators and local variables within iterator scopes.

Beyond that, na, not much.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A .Net dev in the flesh? I'll pray for you /s

[–] PushButton@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago

.NET is an excellent platform, c# and typescript are amazing (made by the same guy btw.), Visual Studio and VSCode are the best in their categories.

Nothing really replace Excel (don't even mention LibreOffice, that's gonna make you look like a dunkey)

Gaming and hardware support still better on Windows.

The spyware are perfected like no other company can make them, as their nagging system, which you can't really get rid of.

Scaling your infrastructure on Azure is the easiest, as for scaling your bills, it's demonstrated in TFA.

Having some price hikes, from time to time, keep the excitement alive, see the latest github price hike tentative.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

When was the last time they did anything right? I manage their products and services for a living. It all sucks to some degree. It's just the default because they cornered the market a long time ago and continue to strangle it to death with legacy garbage. Now they don't innovate, they acquire other shit to compete where they shouldn't, fail, rinse and repeat.

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