Tbh even if there was sufficient political will to pivot to China (there is some, and it is growing), people underestimate just how entangled European military structures are with the US via NATO. This is by design of course, and a situation EU atlanticists have historically been very happy with, but pulling out is no small ask.

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[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

China is off doing naval drills with Russia in South Africa right now. They're actively working against Europe in Ukraine. Not really a trustworthy partner for anything.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

History started yesterday, i see.

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[–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (19 children)

China is off doing naval drills with Russia in South Africa

So are western countries as well and don't see you crying about it?

They’re actively working against Europe in Ukraine.

Insisting sanctions to be decided in the UN and not unilaterally by the west when it's NATO expansion that triggered the war is not working against Europe. Providing a framework for peace and trying to facilitate peace talks is not working against Europe. Being the largest trading partner of Ukraine is not working against Europe.

Not really a trustworthy partner for anything.

Europe and the US are right?

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

China as commercial partner is way more reliable as the USA, apart the EU has finally approved Mercosur, creating with it the biggest common market in the world. The USA will lose all commercial partners in the future if they continue with their policies. The only problem is that there are still EU countries to submissive with the USA (Germany and some eastern countries).

Meanwhile the USA on the way to an civil war

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

This is Gunther though, his favourite pasttime is posting balkanization maps of Bad Countries^TM^, in other words he's a total weirdo.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago

their rich people depend on the dollar

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Europeans be like

Ratatatatatatatatata

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