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Tories heading for landslide election defeat, says Britain’s top pollster (www.independent.co.uk)

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[-] _pete_@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago

Honestly their walk back of the net zero has made me never want to vote for them again.

The planet is fucked, at this point nothing else matters, we aren’t doing anything about it because Sunak is cosied up to fossil fuels and is too busy flying his private jet about.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 28 points 11 months ago

Honestly their walk back of the net zero has made me never want to vote for them again

not their killing off of poor and disabled people though, or their racism, or transphobia, or deliberate destruction for personal profit of all public infrastructure, or their lying, or cheating, or corruption or...

Maybe not the point you think you're making there champ.

[-] rwtwm@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

Sigh
Way to win someone over to your cause. You had a sympathetic ear there and you wasted it.

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[-] renlok@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 months ago

And their decade of making the country worse for everyone but the ultra wealthy was ok?

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago

Not ok but it's what people knew they would do when they elected them, so them then doing it shouldn't really change people's opinion of them.

[-] echo64@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

To be fair, their walk back of net zero might of got them 500 extra old age pensioner votes, assuming that the oap's are able to survive the winter covids, heating costs, and cost of living costs. And they can't get past the polling stations needing extra ID.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 11 months ago

They did that because they believed their own rhetoric. They made up all sorts of nonsense about ULEZ, which successfully confused enough of voters that they won Boris Johnson's old seat when really they wouldn't have. But this made them think that people don't care about environmental policies. So they decided that it would be a great idea if they walked some back, because clearly that would get them some votes right?

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 11 months ago

idk what the polls say it's going to be closer than everyone thinks because i know the british electorate.

[-] bappity@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

the polls are always big for labour then the election comes and Tories still somehow win >_>

[-] renlok@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago

It's because people still don't bother turning up to vote

[-] renlok@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 months ago

Fingers crossed

[-] MrNesser@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Hoping the party fractures under the pressure.

The tories really conist of two parties at war with each other constantly. The only thing they agree on is money and power are good for them.

[-] echo64@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

It fractured a decade ago when they couldn't get a majority and had to get in bed with the popularists by promising a brexit referendum. Something 100% against tory values.

What you have now is not even a tory party. it's an unelected popularist assortment of fifth rank backbenchers who would have been insignificant in the grand scheme of the party.

The real question is what is going to happen to the tory party after they lose. Will they reform as an ultra nationalist fascist party like they have been heading towards? Will they go the gentle opinionless route Labour did and hope that's enough? Just die?🤞

[-] burningmatches@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago

Even Thatcher’s Tory party was fractured — between so-called wets and dries. It’s inevitable that any broad political party (which you get in a two-party system) will contain extremes.

[-] ReadyUser31@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Hopefully they collapse and Labour split into centrists and lefties. That would be ideal, drag the Overton window over a little.

[-] Borkingheck@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

If they lose, surely the pary splits between moderates and the nutters.

[-] echo64@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

That already happened. The moderates left a long long long time ago

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 4 points 11 months ago

I worry more about vote splitting, but both can be fixed by moving away from FPTP. Mixed Member Proportional Representation, like Germany and New Zealand, is what we need.

[-] MrNesser@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately we won't get proportional representation from a labour goverment.

Maybe if they are forced into a coalition with the lib dema we can get movement. The problem is labour really don't do coalitions which leaves the door open to a tory return if they get a low turnout.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago

Thing is Labour party members want to get rid of FPTP. It's the party leadership that doesn't. Which is putting party before country.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

Hoping the party fractures under the pressure.

One thing rich fucks are known for is banding together to protect their wealth, and the public fountain they get it from. I wouldn't get my hopes up.

[-] Lord_Logjam@feddit.uk 11 points 11 months ago

Maybe people are finally realising that the Tories can't legitimately blame the previous Labour government anymore, they've been using that move for too long now.

[-] i_am_not_a_robot@feddit.uk 4 points 11 months ago

They do that? I thought they always blamed the previous government, irrespective of which party was in charge. "Oh that lot back in 2019? No, that wasn't us" puts on false moustache and glasses "That previous government put us in all this mess" "Conservative government? You must mean Boris Johnson's government. Right mess they made of things. Fortunately we're nothing to do with them, so things can only get better, eh?"

[-] Lifebandit666@feddit.uk 9 points 11 months ago

I've posted this already but

It's starting early, the headlines that the Tories will be defeated so you go "Oh good, I don't have to vote" but you do, it's lies, VOTE!

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

NO MATTER WHAT POLLS SAY - GO OUT AND VOTE

If you (and a bunch of others) get too comfy with Conservatives losing the election, and don't go out and vote, then that's how they getcha. If you want the tories out, vote them the fuck out. I beg you.

[-] i_am_not_a_robot@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago

I can't upvote this enough. Well said!

[-] Borkingheck@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Rishi is going full cultural war to win votes but actually focusing on things that will proper win votes and seems reasonable.

It is just incredibly frustrating seeing people come out of the wood works and run with this idea that there is a war on cars.

[-] spark947@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Well damn, its about time.

[-] sol_hsa@mastodon.online 5 points 11 months ago

@i_am_not_a_robot One should hope so

[-] K3zi4@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I have a £100 bet with a friend who says the same. I just have no confidence that the UK public won't just shit the bed and vote Tories again.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago

The same pollster went on to prove that water is wet

[-] Fraylor@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Wake me up when he discovers earth has breathable atmosphere.

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