This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
All posts should follow this basic structure:
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YPTB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
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It’s fairly clear from the sidebar that the community positions itself against ML/grad.
The moderator is well known for being hostile to “tankies”. At the same time .ml itself has banned Deceptichum from communities they’ve never engaged with based purely on their ideological values so it feels hypocritical to complain about them doing the same unless you also disagree with .ml's moderation.
ya gotta follow the guidelines in the sidebar:
Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.
Thanks!
There is no link to the content, or the modlog in your post, just a link to another community where you also posted this...
Weird, must be my front-end then, sorry about that! Linking now: https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=19596601
China is persecuting the Uyghurs, they are forcing them into harsh programs to strip them of their non-Chinese cultural aspects. Some academics see this as a type of genocide, as they are effectively erasing a culture/ethnicity. Most feel there has to be a physical displacement, or mass killings in an attempt to destroy their people, to truly qualify for this label. I am on the side of the latter. I can understand the former's argument, but I think cultural erasure, rather than physical displacement/mass killing, should be a separate atrocity. Looking at what OP has been saying, it seems they believe this too.
Only thing I really see on leftist spaces that bothers me, in this arena, is the people who will argue as I do about the Uyghurs, but consider the residential schools of North America a genocide. The natives went through a real genocide, cultural erasure was a clear step back in depravity. An atrocity none-the-less, just not THE atrocity.
The biggest source on this is Adrian Zenz and the victims of communism memorial.
Anything's possible when you make shit up
Yes.
Free the Uyghurs, fuck China.
Fuck the incoming clowns who will say “butt Adrian Zenz and cia color ops”.
Also hilarious you link to your tankie circlejerk thread than the original.
And I did not reply to you after banning and removing your last comment, so you’re also outright lying.
"Fuck the incoming clowns who will inevitably and correctly point out the complete absence of evidence for any claims presented here" lol good one
What would you think of someone who said there was no evidence of a genocide or ethnic cleansing in Gaza?
What would you think of someone who regularly defended a country that supports foreign leaders who regularly quote fascist Hitler and Mussolini supporting intellectuals?
What would you think of someone who said there was no evidence of a genocide or ethnic cleansing in Gaza?
That depends, is there evidence of these things and they're contradicting that evidence? Even Wikipedia, one of the most lib sources of all, does not have an article for Uyghur genocide. Armenian genocide? Check. Gaza genocide? Check. Uyghurs? Persecution of Uyghurs in China. This isn't a good thing, mind you, but there's a qualitative difference between persecution and genocide.
Also, if you're in the west and examining Uyghur persecution in China more than Black persecution in the states or Romani persecution in Europe, it may be time to examine the plank in your eye before the speck in China's.
What would you think of someone who regularly defended a country that supports foreign leaders who regularly quote fascist Hitler and Mussolini supporting intellectuals?
Ah, the old double genocide theory (about 30 years old, in fact). Look that one up on Wikipedia too while you're at it. Good little bedtime story for Nazi collaborators.
What would you think of someone who said there was no evidence of a genocide or ethnic cleansing in Gaza?
Yes, you're correct that if there was an overwhelming amount of credible evidence from an almost uncountable number of sources (including the people committing genocide bragging about it) it would be different.
There's no equivalence there. Treating these two things as equivalent minimizes (possibly even rises to the level of denying) the actual genocide.
What would you think of someone who regularly defended a country that supports foreign leaders who regularly quote fascist Hitler and Mussolini supporting intellectuals?
Even if we accept whatever you're trying to say here completely at face value, is your stance that someone who says "this specific claim about China is not supported by credible evidence" has to then answer for every single thing any leader in any country ever supported in any way by China has said?
Even if we accept whatever you’re trying to say here completely at face value
What do you think I'm trying to say?
What do you think I’m trying to say?
I have no idea because you chose to be vague instead of making specific claims about which country and leader China supported. Please stop making every sentence a rhetorical question, just say what you mean directly. Regardless, as I said, it's not relevant. See the quoted paragraph below from my previous reply.
is your stance that someone who says “this specific claim about China is not supported by credible evidence” has to then answer for every single thing any leader in any country ever supported in any way by China has said?
If you're going to reply to this, please actually address the points I originally brought up (copied inside the spoiler) instead of dodging them.
What would you think of someone who said there was no evidence of a genocide or ethnic cleansing in Gaza?
Yes, you're correct that if there was an overwhelming amount of credible evidence from an almost uncountable number of sources (including the people committing genocide bragging about it) it would be different.
There's no equivalence there. Treating these two things as equivalent minimizes (possibly even rises to the level of denying) the actual genocide.
What would you think of someone who regularly defended a country that supports foreign leaders who regularly quote fascist Hitler and Mussolini supporting intellectuals?
Even if we accept whatever you're trying to say here completely at face value, is your stance that someone who says "this specific claim about China is not supported by credible evidence" has to then answer for every single thing any leader in any country ever supported in any way by China has said?
Even state department mouthpieces have to grudgingly admit that even the thing you could wilfully misconstrue as some kind of cultural suppression has already ended
The CIA tried to fund a breakaway sect of violent Islamic extremists, whose main target was other Uyghurs, and China conducted the most thorough and successful deradicalization campaign of all time
Weird that ML is a reason when that's not in the rules. Wonder why they don't block the instance or have a rule against them posting.
PTB though. Persecution is bullshit but not the same as a genocide.
free of the “ML” influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.
It's right there in the sidebar buddy.
Persecution is bullshit but not the same as a genocide.
Forced re-education and destruction of culture is literally genocide. Not to mention the literal slavery.
(How's this for a 'school')
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/9/24/china-running-380-detention-centres-in-xinjiang-researchers I know, I know Al Jazeera is a big bad Western information source /s
Your article is dogshit.
"Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) said it had identified more than 380 “suspected detention facilities” in the region"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Strategic_Policy_Institute
A defense contractor think-tank says it has identified "suspected detention facilities" and provides exactly zero evidence to substantiate that claim. Did you not bother reading this at all before posting it or were you just hoping nobody else would?
I found that rule confusingly worded, so it does mean .ML and .Grad aren't allowed to post? Why not just say that?
Whether a genocide occured/is occuring is still an academic/legal gray area. Some call it a genocide, others say cultural erasure and extensive human rights abuses are their own animals. Genocide literally has a bunch of definitions.
You're assuming a lot about me. I created !Independent_Media@lemmy.today !wild_feed@sh.itjust.works and !indy_news_canada@sh.itjust.works
I live in the west, I have no problem with western media.
I found that rule confusingly worded, so it does mean .ML and .Grad aren’t allowed to post? Why not just say that?=
Because many people signed up for ML without knowing it was a tankie instance and aren't tankies themselves - Those users are allowed to post.
Whether a genocide occured/is occuring is still an academic/legal gray area. Some call it a genocide, others say cultural erasure and extensive human rights abuses are their own animals. Genocide literally has a bunch of definitions.
Up until a few months ago pieces of shit were arguing Gaza wasn't a genocide either. I've always called it as such, and I'll do the same here. The intent is to destroy their culture, leading to the end of an ethnic group, ergo I view it as genocide and I don't platform denying that. They have 3 whole instances and leftymemes to do that, they can live without one community.
You’re assuming a lot about me. I created !Independent_Media@lemmy.today !wild_feed@sh.itjust.works and !indy_news_canada@sh.itjust.works
Eh, I don't really care if you do or don't, but if I had say posted this Reuters piece instead that tankies would argue it was all Western propaganda. Gotta pre-empt them before they spam walls of copy-pasted propaganda.
Tankies are the worst, I keep accidentally replying to posts on like hexbear and you can't have real conversations, they just want to make cheap points, and will all spam en masse at you if you disagree with their braindead takes.