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Hello. I am looking for an alternative to Telegram and I prefer an application that uses decentralised servers. My question is: why is the xmpp+omemo protocol not recommended on websites when it is open source and decentralised? The privacyguides.org website does not list xmpp+omemo as a recommended messaging service. Nor does this website include it in its comparison of private messaging services.

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/assets/img/cover/real-time-communication.webp

Why do you think xmpp and its messaging clients such as Conversations, Movim, Gajim, etc. do not appear in these guides?

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[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I've personally used 4 encrypted communication apps, here are my thoughts:

Signal: huge downside that it required a phone number (not sure if it still does), and the centralized nature of it makes me very wary of it. It worked reliably when I did use it, but I no longer use it.

Matrix with Element: As others mentioned, it leaks meta data. It wasn't very reliable in my experience with encrypted group chats. Messages would constantly not be readable by other users in the chat, requiring frequent re-sending to finally get through. Overall I found it very frustrating to use.

XMPP: Experience can somewhat vary depending on the app used. With the Movim desktop front-end, I can sometimes have issues with encrypted messages not getting unencrypted (possibly just user error on my part), but with mobile apps like Conversations or Monocles, its been pretty much 100% reliable. Doesn't drain my battery either. Would recommend.

Deltachat: I've used this the least, but I really like it. Super easy to connect to friends and join a group chat, its all encrypted by default so no real chance of encountering an unencrypted message, very nice UI, is available on all platforms as one app, and has been 100% reliable with low battery drain. Highly recommend if you don't need to make voice calls (it can do texts, images, and supports voice/video files you can send and play within the app).

[–] loweffortname@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 hours ago

I know it's not the most popular, but I've genuinely been happy with Matrix for the last few years. Obviously there are problems, but it really has gotten fairly stable. At least...for me...

[–] UnfinishedProjects@lemmy.zip 5 points 17 hours ago

I've hardly used it so far, but simpleX seems promising from my limited knowledge. I highly suggest checking it out.

[–] Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Here is a blog post by a widely respected cryptographer on why XMPP+OMEMO is not secure: https://soatok.blog/2024/08/04/against-xmppomemo/

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

This post is 1.5 years old and outdated.

[–] Hazematman@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago

Do you know if there is a more up to date description of xmpp e2ee without having to read the spec. Specifically interested in stuff like how much metadata is leaked.

[–] Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 14 hours ago

Did that fix any of the underlining issues with OMEMO use across XMPP clients, such as odd/opaque choices by the OMEMO maintainer, or the fragmentation of OMEMO versions used by clients (most being very out-of-date)?

Let me be clear: I am NOT anti-XMPP (or even OMEMO). I would love to see it succeed because I much prefer it over Matrix and other alternatives. My problem isn't with the technology, just the implementation.

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[–] Caravaggio@feddit.nl 13 points 1 day ago

Misleading title.

[–] cockmushroom@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago

The freenet/futo devs are working something called river (https://freenet.org/). I don't think it's mobile yet and cannot attest to it's call quality. It's fully decentralized though, so it should work even if they abandon the project. Here's a video on the protocol https://youtu.be/3SxNBz1VTE0 Mostly goes over the introductory docs that're on the site.

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