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[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"To avoid infighting, we've decided to collaborate with the Nazis" – leftist edition

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The wildest thing is that db0 often argues with Tankies about unity as they repeatedly tell him that they'll kill anarchists if given the chance.

Yet for whatever reason, the few anarchists left on dbzer0 and db0 himself insist on aligning with them. https://hexbear.net/post/7507322/6879735

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Literally reads like:

"In every case in history, authoritarian communists have purged the anarchists after the success of the revolution. So you should accept our blanket leadership because otherwise we will be forced to purge you after the success of the revolution. And even if you do submit to us, you will be forever at our mercy because if we ever deem you as a threat then we will eliminate you."

Authoritarians in every form just can't seem to see through their own narcissism...

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

And yet dbzer0 insists on federating and unifying with tankies. Oblivious.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

dumb query but what is aes referring to?

thanks!

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Actually Existing Socialism

It's copetalk for Tankies to decide what is actual socialism and what is not. They believe China, Cuba, and Vietnam are all actually socialist. You can give them Cuba and Vietnam, but China? Hardly

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Actually Existing Socialism

TIL, ty.

had this circular set of conversations a few months ago: I'll consider anything if you can point to examples of success. So for socialism, that's liberal social democracies like norway and denmark - genuine restrained capitalism run by actual humans, and it works great.

but ask for an example of working communism, well, see that's impossible because communism never gets the chance to flourish in these backward times.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

It's important to note that when arguing with tankies they use their own definition of words through the reference of communist theory. So, for example, imperialism to you and me, or anyone with a dictionary, means subjugation and expansion through force. For tankies, it just means capitalism, as per Lenin's theory. (meaning anything non-capitalist cannot be imperial)

You can't talk facts or theory with tankies since they make up their own. You'll never be able to 'out-logic' them, since that's not how they're arguing. Another example is that China is imperialist towards Tibet, yet under tankie semantics, China by definition cannot be imperialist because they say they are socialist.

You can never argue with tankies since they can't argue in good faith; they can't concede on anything because they're authoritarians, not communists.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago
[–] Stern@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

One would think in a community that says no ML they would just ban on sight

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 days ago

the frog is boiling

[–] roundduckkira@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think part of this is the losing of hope within the left in systems that aren't more forceful like ML, due to the failures of the progressive capitalist/socdem/demsocs in going against fascist and imperialist policy. Also because literally Cuba good (hot take!!!), as much as any other examples of ML end up in corrupt leaders and violence (Laos being anti-LGBT at least, and don't get me started on how China isn't even really ML anymore but rather a capitalist fascist country in the skin of a socialist country).

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago

Another part is probably how Lemmy moderators are structurally cops, and All Cops Are Bastards.

Mods have a monopoly on the digital equivalent of violence (banning and deletion) and are expected and required to unilaterally use that monopoly to police the community. They have nearly unilateral discretion over how incidents are handled, and complaints are primarily taken care of through mods discussing internally.

Communities may elect their mods, but given communities are defined by those who are not banned by mods, mods can use their discretion to ban dissenters whenever they can get away with it while only banning supporters when they have to. Thus communities evolve into ones that (vocally or passively) support their mods as long as those mods aren't much more egregious than they have been so far. The vocal support then reinforces the mods' beliefs in their righteousness, justifying their strictness, until they are a police state.

Good mods get disgusted by this pipeline at some point during the process and stop being mods. Crappy mods speedrun the pipeline and become sad little kings of sad little hills. But insidious mods go through the pipeline slowly, creating an oasis of liberal stability where those that fit themselves within the mods' Overton Window can have a flourishing community (hi goat!).

And it's hard to organize servers any other way because by default with our current capitalism digital infrastructure, the admin is the owner and users are producer-consumers who have no tools to project political power beyond what the admin deigns to bestow on them. Because the users are given no way to organize politically they devolve into chaos, so the admin makes use of the tools they have and polices the users or imports the position of moderator so approved users can police the other users.

So over time, communities on the internet either collapse or have mods who grow from being willing to exist as liberal authorities to sympathizing with authoritarianism. So what anti-authoritarian doctrines there were that helped sustain the liberal oasis as long as they did start to feel naive or restrictive, while there is long precedent for silencing the complainers who rail against the edges of that increasingly less liberal oasis. And so authoritarianism arrives without fanfare, and those embarrassing rules that used to define the community are buried without ceremony.

At the start there were thousands of frogs in the pot. As it became warm, frogs started jumping out, but I did not jump because I was not that kind of frog. As it became hot, more frogs jumped out, but I did not jump because I was not that kind of frog. And now it's boiling, and my brain is too fried for me to ever want to jump anymore.

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