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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

okay how many of these "delusional" people in the study are making fun of the LLM tho

i don't know because I don't use the LLM i only see the screenshots. I am the control group. kinda. my nut is already off.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What I read in the first lines of the article is: "they go down the rabbit hole, just like social media echo chambers..." which are filled with bots and trolls, and have been for years - and that's the dataset that a lot of chatbots are trained on.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

and was filled with stuff like "hey wouldn't it be funny to trick the AI into thinking you can make soup out of delicious caulk?" type stuff dammit don't get me going off into the caulk rabbit hole right now

edit : yeah i heard it

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 36 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I think what we're seeing is similar to lactose intolerance. Most people can handle it just fine but some people simply can't digest it and get sick. The problem is there's no way to determine who can handle AI and who can't.

When I'm reading about people developing AI delusions their experiences sound completely alien to me. I played with LLMs same as anyone and I never treated it as anything other than a tool that generates responses to my prompts. I never thought "wow, this thing feels so real". Some people clearly have predisposition to jumping over the "it's a tool" reaction straight to "it's a conscious thing I can connect with". I think next step should be developing a test that can predict how someone will react to it.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 6 hours ago

lactose intolerance. Most people can handle it just fine but some people simply can’t digest it and get sick. The problem is there’s no way to determine who can handle AI and who can’t.

Interesting analogy because: if you consume no lactose, your internal biome loses the ability to metabolize it and therefore you become "lactose intolerant." If you do start consuming lactose again, sooner or later you should also regain the ability to metabolize it (this isn't something that's encoded in your genome, it's encoded in the genome of all the things that live in your gut - a colony with more cells (albeit smaller cells) than your own body.)

I never thought “wow, this thing feels so real”.

Define "real." I have frequently thought "holy shit! This thing has produced a result that would have taken me hours, and it appears to be correct, and like an "NP hard" problem now that I have the proposed solution it's relatively trivial to verify if it is correct or not (and it tends to be correct more than 80% of the time lately.)

“it’s a conscious thing I can connect with”

Some people get that way about Magic 8 Balls and Ouija boards.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I suspect that the difference is to no small degree correlated with a person's isolation/social-integration.

People who aren't socially integrated have always been more vulnerable to predatory cults and scams. It's because human interactions is a psychological need that's been hardcoded into us by evolution.

Some people say "I don't need human interaction, I enjoy my time alone!" But that's because they have the privilege of enough social acceptance and integration that they get to enjoy their time alone. It's well-established within the field of psychology that true isolation can have a range of deep and far-reaching impacts on a person's well-being.

When people are developing, they need to socialize with their peers; and being unable to do so leads to maladaptive behavior patterns. Even as adults, people need regular social contact or their psychological state can quickly deteriorate. That's why solitary confinement is considered a method of torture in some circumstances, when it's used to depersonalize and destroy a person's sense of self-identity.

So that's why I suspect that people who are well-integrated with friends, family, acquaintances, and coworkers are probably less vulnerable to these sorts of delusions and can treat AI as "just a tool."

But for someone who hardly has any social interaction in a day, has no friends or family to talk to, and maybe their warmest interaction all week was with the clerk at the grocery store, then yeah I'd say it's predictable that they would be vulnerable to getting sucked into this trap of relying on an LLM for their social interaction.

It might be superficial, but it's a way of patching a hole. It's an expedient means to fulfill a need that they're not getting from anywhere else.

If we don't want this sort of stuff happening to people, then maybe we shouldn't ostracize them for being "weird" in the first place. Because nobody learns how to be "normal" by being alone all the time.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This is really good. Thank you for taking the time to write it.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for understanding. So many times when I discuss things that are adjacent to this topic, I get flamed in the comments with people accusing me of being some sort of redpiller from the manosphere.

Like, no, social isolation is a problem, and it's getting worse due to a variety of factors. To name a few, there's social media algorithms designed to keep people dependent on their phones; there's the long-standing consequences of the pandemic and the collective trauma that had in addition to the atrophied social skills due to quarantine; there's widespread political polarization which keeps tensions high and makes it difficult to navigate new situations if you can't prove you know the right social scripts and avoid any faux pas; there's the whole toxic influencer culture who are grifting on inflammatory rhetoric, ragebait content, exploiting people's vulnerabilities, and radicalizing them (which is a vicious cycle, because they prey on people who are already isolated!); and that's just to name a few!

But if I summarize all that as a "loneliness epidemic," then people call me an incel and act like I'm trying to coerce women into having sex with me simply by acknowledging the fact that social interaction is a deeply-set human psychological need.

Like, using "incel" as an insult is part of the problem. It feeds into this culture where "if you're a man, you must get laid, or else you're worthless." That's literally promoting toxic masculinity!

And it forces these people who are already isolated and vulnerable to go identify with these groups of similarly ostracized people in echo chambers where they're insulated from those insults, where those predatory "influencers" then have fresh pickings of new losers to neg and radicalize.

But somehow, if I point out the problem here (because how can we solve a problem if we can't talk about it?), then to most people's view that makes me part of the problem! Even though, why would I be calling out the pattern if it was something I identify with?

The people radicalizing these vulnerable "losers," yes they should be torched. But the vulnerable "losers" being radicalized need to be treated with compassion if they're ever going to be redeemed. It should be pretty easy to identify who's who, seeing as they have an entire social structure based on hierarchies of dominance and submission...

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 6 hours ago

The people radicalizing these vulnerable “losers,” yes they should be torched.

Starting with: I have found a great many of "those people" to be highly insecure, living in denial and fear that they themselves may be such a "loser" but are putting on the bully face for the world to misdirect people away from the fact that they themselves are very much the same as the people they are bullying.

[–] baaaaaah@hilariouschaos.com 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Surprisingly, the people who have that issues with it aren't the ones who contact to it emotionally, it's the people who offload their decision making to AI 

It's more like a codependence spiral than anything else

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 6 hours ago

If they weren't offloading their decision making to AI, they'd be buying gold because a radio advertisement convinced them to, or refusing to pay their back tax penalties because they got advice about how to "beat the system" from someone, etc. etc.

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I bet it's probably correlated with low education as most things

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 6 hours ago

But, is low education the cause of the issues, or just another symptom?

[–] stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

So you're saying there's a chance I can have cheese if I go to college?

Sign me up! Where's the cheddar?

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 6 hours ago

"Look at all that cheddar!" but none for you. You've got to pay your tuition, put in the time, pay your dues, put in the time, work hard, put in the time, and by the time you've outlasted everyone else who got off the merry-go-round, your boss' nephew gets to jump over you in line for the promotion - that's the real education.

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[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 11 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Cults and toxic self-help literature have existed before LLMs copied them. I don't know if LLMs are getting people who couldn't have been gotten by human scammers.

Scams have many different vectors and people can be vulnerable to them depending on their mood or position in life. Testing people on LLM intolerance would be more like testing them on their susceptibility to viruses.

People can be immunocompromised for various reasons, temporarily or permanently, so as a society public hygiene standards (and the material conditions to produce them) are a lot more valuable. Wash your hands after interacting, keep public spaces clean, that sort of stuff.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 6 hours ago

Scams have many different vectors

Many centering on the "unbelievably good deal, act fast before this opportunity gets away..."

Wash your hands after interacting, keep public spaces clean, that sort of stuff.

Or, expose people to the challenges and teach (their immune systems, their frontal cortex, whatever) to recognize the bad actors and prevent harm before it starts.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 204 points 1 day ago (42 children)

Huge Study

*Looks inside

this latest study examined the chat logs of 19 real users of chatbots — primarily OpenAI’s ChatGPT — who reported experiencing psychological harm as a result of their chatbot use.

Pretty small sample size despite being a large dataset that they pulled from, its still the dataset of just 19 people.

AI sucks in a lot of ways sure, but this feels like fud.

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