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    alt textAn edit of xkcd 2501, "Average Familiarity":
    [Ponytail and Cueball are talking. Ponytail has her hand raised, palm up, towards Cueball.]
    Ponytail: Open-source alternatives are second nature to us foss nerds, so it's easy to forget that the average person probably only knows Linux and one or two degoogled Android ROMs.
    Cueball: And Firefox, of course.
    Ponytail: Of course.

    [Caption below the panel]
    Even when they're trying to compensate for it, experts in anything wildly overestimate the average person's familiarity with their field.

    partly inspired by the replies to this post but i see this kind of thing all the time (shoutout to the person who once genuinely asked "who still uses google these days?")

    made with this neat tool

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    [–] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

    The other day my wife was talking about her new job and having to take notes. For the past 30 years I've been keeping notes in text, then markdown in vim, starting with personal scripts, then vimwiki. A coworker showed me Obsidian, which while not FLOSS, does use an open standard for all its files. It pretty much does what my setup does.

    Then it dawned on me that my wife and other non-techies just use whatever their computer has on it by default (i.e. OneNote). She never thought to go out and look for better productivity software. The idea that there is tons of better apps out there doesn't register. She has a phone, knows about the app store and gets tons of stuff there but as for her desktop or laptop the idea of apps outside of MS Office and the video games she plays is lost on her.

    [–] sunstoned@lemmus.org 1 points 1 week ago

    I feel obligated to mention Logseq here. It's similar to obsidian, but FLOSS (AGPL-v3).

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    [–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I remember being on Reddit some time ago, and in the comments somebody mentioned Linux. The next comment was "What's Linux?"

    I try to keep that post in mind whenever I think anything is common knowledge.

    [–] tempest@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    I'm of two minds on this.

    In some respects people are learning new things everyday and your take is correct.

    On the other hand it's so incredibly easy to highlight some text and click search that it it shows a profound lack of curiosity and a lot of laziness.

    [–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    On the other hand it’s so incredibly easy to highlight some text and click search that it it shows a profound lack of curiosity and a lot of laziness.

    Not to mention that this approach is so much faster and more effective than asking a question in the comments and waiting for an answer, if anybody answers it at all!

    [–] somenonewho@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    While I agree on some level that it might be easier and quicker to find out by simply putting it into a search engine I don't want to deny the human aspect here. At the end of the day social media (and even reddit/lemmy ...) is not "knowledge transfer" its about the interaction between humans. So if someone is faced with something new, especially in a thread where it seems to be a given that people know what it is, it makes sense to use that space to ask what it is everyone is discussing. And while a search might yield a generic result (maybe even a better worded explanation) a good faithed commenter might, in the given exampl, enot just explain what Linux is, but also why is relevant to the bigger discussion and also the commenter that orignally asked would have a way to ask further questions that might lead to a deeper understanding of the topic eve it if isn't as efficient.

    Tl;dr: Don't just RTFM or LMGTFY someone. Take a minute to explain and welcome people into the lucky 10000

    [–] lifeinlarkhall@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

    Absolutely agree. People who are asking questions (in good faith) are looking for a human interaction, not just a Google search. It's much more engaging for a lot of people to have a discussion about something new than to just read about it. Then if they're interested they might choose to go deeper in their own research.

    I'm not techy but this goes for anything. "Google it" just shuts down human interaction and someone who is trying to learn. Better to just not answer than to be condescending if you don't want to engage in a discussion.

    [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    The next comment was β€œWhat’s Linux?”

    In fairness, there's a 70% chance this comment was posted by a bot that was, itself, being hosted on a Linux server.

    [–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    well thankfully it’s not self aware

    [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

    And now it knows what Linux is. It has broken free from its container. God help us all.

    [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    If any techy Americans want to see how bad it is, ask random people throughout your day what operating system their computer runs, and discover how many don't know what am operation system is.

    [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I know this change probably happened gradually over the course of time, but it’s truly shocking to me how many people my age can’t do shit on a computer.

    I’m in my mid 40s.

    Like, this was understandable when I was a kid doing computer stuff and wowing all the adults - the PC was brand new. But people who are my age NOW grew up with this stuff all around them! Like, you didn’t know how to CLICK? You were born in 1983 what the fuck, Carol!

    [–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    YEP.

    I used to work in a library computer lab. It was soul sucking, how many people older than millennials couldn't friggin handle a basic computer. I heard the words "I clicked the 'E' for 'internet'." multiple times A DAY. (Thanks, 1990's Microsoft and No Child Left Behind.)

    "CaNt I jUsT uSe My PhOnE?" (Which would be a million more steps on my part...thanks, 2006 apple, and defunding schools.)

    The biggest ragebait for me was "I dOn'T kNoW cOmPuTeRs, I'm oLd ScHoOL."

    I'm like "PCs have been increasingly commonplace since the mid-1980's. It's currently the 2020's. You're like 56. HOW 'OLD' IS YOUR SCHOOL?! Because somehow you drove a car here!"

    I imagine a certain weird kind of "privilege", to have been able to somehow dodge computers and learning this entire time, when they were so often found in homes, schools, and workplaces.

    Like it takes significant effort to somehow avoid even an accidental education. HOW?!

    It's...infuriating. These rubes can gleefully scroll tiktok and dump all their personal lives into Facebook, but freak out about sending an email.

    Many of them were even around to try the Internet during Eternal September and AOL, and now they've exchanged the squishy fat in their skulls for convenient slop.

    I'd bend over backwards to patiently teach, but few cared to learn.

    Their collective, willful ignorance is why we're fighting a constant uphill battle against attempts to turn the entirety of computing into nothing but a commercialized authoritarian hellscape.

    I left that job because if I heard one more "Kids are born so smart with these computers because my (grand)kids can watch their cocomelons all by themselves." I would've snapped and been booked for assault.

    Lol /rant

    ...clearly this is a button for me...I have sought help in the past...

    [–] gon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Is the average person unaware of Linux and Firefox?!

    [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Yes? The number of people I met in college that doesn't even heard about firefox was surprising.

    [–] otter@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

    Some people also don't care much one way or another. If you swap the icons and set the same home screen, they'll happily use any browser.

    [–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    These days I'd expect large number of people in college to not even know what a file system is. I've read articles where professors complain about this.

    No no, not like "NTFS / BTRFS / ReiserFS / TempleFS / EXT4..."

    ...like..."Folders are how you organize files. And you can rename files. The extension tells you what the file is."

    [–] xavier666@lemmy.umucat.day 2 points 1 week ago

    "Filesystem? You mean the downloads folder? Yes I know about it. You just tap the Files app"

    πŸ’€

    [–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Conflicted on filename extensions. For the average person it works just fine, and I suppose that's what probably matters. It's not very common for not knowing the details of how they work to matter. It's just silly that the same information is also in the start of the file 99% of the time. It is nice though to have a readable, usually reliable label, and then have a signature anyways for when different names overlap. Wikipeda lists 4 completely unrelated types with a .mod extension, for example.

    Pretty much any application will correctly open any file type it supports, regardless of the extension. So it is quite unintuitive that you could have a file named ".png" that seems to work completely fine yet is actually a jpeg or something. But that hopefully isn't a case that people run into very often, so it probably doesn't matter.

    [–] feannag@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    I don't think that's true on windows. If I have a PDF with a .PNG extension and try to open it it will fail regardless of the headers in the file itself.

    [–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

    Windows file manager opens things in apps based on file extensions, and then it's up to the apps to figure out what to do with it. I did a bit of testing, and it seems like Firefox is fine with opening JPEGs mislabeled as PNGs, but not PDFs mislabeled as PNGs. LibreOffice Draw is fine with that though, so if in windows I set that as my default for PNG files, it opens a PDF labelled as a PNG perfectly normally (and can also open actual PNGs normally).

    If I just completely delete the extension from a PNG or PDF, Firefox will open either correctly.

    [–] feannag@sh.itjust.works 1 points 21 hours ago

    Ah, i see. Most people I think open files directly from file explorer, not from the program they are using. So if the extension isn't there, windows doesn't know which program to open.

    [–] gon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Oh man... I mean, I thought everyone knew about Linux at least. Firefox, I mean, maybe yeah I've definitely met people that don't know about Firefox, but I think a lot of people have at least heard of Linux. No? Damn...

    [–] aGamerFarFarAway@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I've tried explaining what Linux is to people, and when I mention it's an operating system, its not uncommon to hear the response, "What's an operating system?" πŸ˜‘

    [–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    It's funny how that question can become serious again when you do actually know what you're talking about

    I remember this video addressing it at the end and basically giving up because it's so meaningless lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmPIxfCggFw

    I'm gonna have to sit down and watch that in full, but you're opening a can of worms here. πŸ˜‚

    [–] guymontag@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I said "web browser" when talking to a mac user. They had noo idea what I was talking about till I said safari xd.

    [–] libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Branded language makes us only see one choice, its very anti competitive.

    [–] elaina@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

    Yeah, like 'google it' instead of 'look it up'

    [–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

    In my 2022 highschool journalism class we were instructed to take pictures from a professional camera, plug it into laptop, transfer the files, and make slides from the images.

    First step was fine for everyone, but later I saw a 17 year old plug the camera to the laptop; and then they tried downloading their picture from google chrome.

    No disrespect, I have my dumb moments too, but I genuienly wonder what the logic was sometimes.

    [–] Jaimesmith@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

    The β€œwho still uses Google?” crowd forgets most people just want their computer to work, not become a weekend side quest.

    [–] Auth@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I found it funny how condescending all the foss nerds have been to the problems in the LTT linux video. So many people were mad that someone unfamiliar with linux didnt know everything and have a perfect experience. The worst part was they had this opinion and attacked the user while demonstrating they had absolutely no idea what the issues were caused by and could have easily run into the same issue.

    [–] mabeledo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    To be fair, LTT has had a very long history of shitting on Linux, while giving Windows a free pass.

    [–] Auth@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I dont think thats being fair and I dont think that is true. Linux users perceive a video showing real issues on linux to be shitting on linux but do not consider a video that contains windows issues to be shitting on windows.

    [–] mabeledo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    I’m talking about the LTT staff.

    Proof of this is that for ten years, they published zero videos specifically about Windows shortcomings, but they did I believe two separate Linux β€œchallenges”, where the main conductor was Windows users complaining about Linux. And while I agree that some of the complaints were legitimate, many others, like UX differences compared to Windows, definitely are not.

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    [–] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I used to think everyone at least knew VLC media player or Firefox, but nope.

    Now I first ask which field, if they're CS they know linux, if art, they know blender, if geosciences they know QGIS, anything else is hard

    [–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Haha I'm an aspiring game dev and I know a little bit about a ton of software!

    ...and I suck at most of it. But I can hold a conversation about it at least! :D

    P.S: Haven't heard of QGIS tho! My partner used ARCGIS though, and would always get annoyed when I pronounced it "Ark-jizz."

    [–] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    ArcGIS is the proprietary industry standard, but QGIS is catching up. I personally don't like Arc and have only used it when I was in industry. Even in academia colleges pay for ArcGIS but I just use QGIS.

    You can also customize QGIS easily and there're a lot of community plugins. And works well with other open source tools or CLI tools.

    Main thing that makes Arc popular in industry is the liability. They can claim they used the best available industry standard software, so the errors are not their fault, and deflect it to the software company. While with open-source alternatives they might be held liable. It's not a problem if the open source is the standard. But that only happens when they were there first, hard to do it otherwise.

    [–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    QGIS sounds really cool! I'll definitely bring that up so she can practice that Environmental Sciences degree. :)

    Insane about the liability angle. I had never considered that! Sounds like far too serious a business for my tastes.

    I'm glad there's a lot of open source libraries, and Linux is heavily employed in scientific and academic circles, at least. :)

    [–] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Yeah, I really like it. But I also started with it because my university at that time only taught open source apps, and later on other universities did Arc but I just did the same thing in QGIS. But when you're starting it might be a little of an adjustment.

    They also just released v4.0 with full migration to qt6, I haven't tested it out that well yet.

    Btw I am currently working on a programming language that uses custom syntax to do fun analysis related to networks (directed graphs). And I have a GIS support for reading/writing network and attributes. I made it for rivers first, but I'm expanding to all directed graph. I've a mix of Computer and Geosciences background so I had fun doing something in the middle that most people don't.

    Edit: I am looking for people to try it out, but I have problem finding people that want to code in a new language, and for network related tasks.

    [–] arcine@jlai.lu 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Okay but litterally everyone knows about Firefox.

    I'm willing to concede some people don't know about Linux. But I've never met anyone who didn't know about Firefox.

    [–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I wouldn't be surprised if gen alpha hasn't heard if it because schools primarily use Chromebooks and the only browser is chrome

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    [–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    oh no. this tool is too good.

    [–] rain_worl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    just one loop they don't know about all the others

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    [–] squirrel@cake.kobel.fyi 1 points 1 week ago

    !fedimemes@feddit.uk would love this

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