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Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz has signed the nation's first law banning prediction market sites from operating in the state, the most far-reaching crackdown on massively popular services like Kalshi and Polymarket.

It comes as states confront a growing standoff with the Trump administration over how to regulate the industry, which allows people to bet on virtually anything.

The new state law makes it a crime to host or advertise a prediction market, which it defines as a system that lets consumers place a wager on a future outcome, like sports, elections, weather, live entertainment, someone's word choice and world affairs.

The prohibition extends to services supporting prediction markets, like virtual private networks, that could allow consumers to disguise their location and get around the ban.

It would force prediction market sites like Kalshi and Polymarket to leave the state, or face possible felony charges. The law takes effect in August.

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[–] tomiant@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago

Man USA should just be Minnesota.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 45 points 1 day ago (19 children)

Just FYI, sufficiently liquid prediction markets are also assassin markets by their nature.

It's a really easy way to facilitate payments for killings by "predicting" that someone will be dead by a certain date, and making a big bet against it

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

That isn't really a new thing companies have our entire lives been able to take out life insurance on their employees without them knowing it. Which you know...

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

This was reported, so I looked it up. Apparently, it's true. I also think it's your opinion that corporations might use for their own financial gain, so I won't remove it.

Corporate ownership of life insurance (COLI), or corporate-owned life insurance, refers to insurance policies taken out by companies on their employees, typically senior-level executives.

The company is responsible for making the premium payments, and if the person dies, the company, not the insured person's family or other heirs, receives the death benefit. Such policies came to be called "dead peasant insurance" after some companies purchased life insurance on low-level workers without their knowledge.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/corporate-ownership-of-life-insurance.asp

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Oh right the dead peasants' insurance thing this is like well after the fact, in like the 00s by walmart.

I guess I should have just looked it all up how hard could have been.

From what I understand they would take them out on technical employees fairly often as well, like scientists types that could not be easily replaced. But who knows what dirty dealings have gone on.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Is that why they hire elderly people as greeters? Wow, they're pure evil.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

Huh, I wonder if there's a way we could subpoena the books of the life insurance companies they deal with. Or somehow obtain that information by whatever means.

Walmart was a very bad company, they still are but I think they were one of the first retail Giants to become totally morally bankrupt.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If a Walmart employee dies on Walmart property the family gets a $1,000,000 payout. Source: am spouse of Walmart manager. This applies to all employees as far as I know.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

What does Walmart get if you die* on or off the property?

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

His opinion? Walmart was notorious for taking out life insurance policies on its rank and file workers. It happened for decades, there were even lawsuits, settlements, the whole 9 yards...

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

This is the first I'm hearing anything about it. I meant it as a good thing, so he doesn't have to provide proof and all that.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago

Yeah that's been common knowledge for decades and decades. Like Wall Street level they can sell life insurance policies on any of us without us knowing it, all they need is our social security number. It's very unfair.

I don't have any ready sources this is from like the 90s and 2000s I mean I could look but whatever.

[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It’s why we aren’t allowed to do “dead pools.”

[–] PuddleOfKittens@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Note that a dead pool can also mean when the water in a dam is so low that it can't flow downhill through the outlet (because the outlet isn't at the exact bottom).

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It can also refer to a large room full of acid and hanging skeletal corpses

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 hours ago

"Dats real acid..?"

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 117 points 1 day ago (26 children)

The prohibition extends to services supporting prediction markets, like virtual private networks ...

So they quietly just slipped a blanket VPN ban in there, too? Would be interested to read more about that part ...

[–] kamenlady@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

like virtual private networks, that could allow consumers to disguise their location and get around the ban.

Seems to be the intention.

They should go further and ban people from leaving the state, since that could also be used to circumvent the ban.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Luckily due to the United States Constitution, the states can't tell you where you can and cannot go. Obviously with the police they can do whatever the fuck they want but officially we can go over we want.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I mean you could make the argument that the commerce clause tells the state they can't ban VPNs. Ultimately it will be up to the SC to dictate the laws as they have been lately.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

You know what, you're right one could make the argument that states don't even have the authority to ban vpns.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 8 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

These people have bank accounts. What not just pass a law saying banks can’t take payments from these sites instead of banning VPNs?

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 2 hours ago

But what about the banks profits??

[–] Dultas@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

Because banks have a better lobby and pay better.

Prior to New Jersey amending their state constitution to allow online sports betting in 2011, and mostly leading to the opening of online gambling we're experiencing now, enforcement was usually taken against the "casinos" rather than the handlers. Back then it was CEOs of the betting companies getting caught on their flight layovers and charged with the illegal gambling stuff.

Doubt the intention is to enforce against the gamblers for the reasons already implied here, like the difficulty of tracking and enforcing vpn monitoring.

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[–] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Hey what the fuck, good eye

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here is the relevant text of the signed bill SF4760, make your judgement as you will:

81.23 Subd. 2. Prediction markets; hosting prohibited. A person is guilty of a felony if the 81.24 person, for consideration and as part of a business

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82.14 (5) provides supportive services to a prediction market or consumer knowing that the 82.15 services will be used to identify a consumer's location, transfer money, or make or process 82.16 payments for the purpose of allowing consumers to make wagers or to settle wagers made 82.17 by consumers in violation of this section.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So they'd have to prove that the VPN provider so.ehow knew the user's intention? It will they just steamroll over the facts and claim that any provider should assume that?

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Good questions. At a minimum any VPN marketing in MN would need to tiptoe around claims that you can watch region locked content as if you were there.

Personally, I think VPNs that don’t receive or keep customers' info and logs could have a credible argument that they don't know whether their customers use it for prediction markets or not.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago

What if they use a foreign VPN?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Cue laws that VPNs monitor their clients' traffic

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[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 14 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Every day I regret leaving Minnesota for Texas, they keep doing what we need to do here and the damn state regime stomps down any progressive or practical solutions the blue cities try. I vote angry in every election.

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