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Apple wants Europe to blink (www.theverge.com)
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Apple blames DMA for delaying Siri AI in Europe. The EU says nothing is stopping Apple from launching it.

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Jan Penfrat, a senior policy adviser for European Digital Rights (EDRi) ... sees Appleโ€™s latest moves as a means of putting pressure on the EU Commission to allow it to break the DMA. โ€œItโ€™s very much a lobbying tactic,โ€ he said. โ€œThe problem is not the DMA but Apple refusing to open up its competition-busting software ecosystem.โ€

For Michael Veale, a professor of technology law and policy at University College London, the core issue is that Apple is making an exception to its own long-standing privacy and security setup โ€œin order to stay relevant and in the gameโ€ when it comes to AI. โ€œAppleโ€™s privacy and security model is built like a Jenga tower, based on extreme vertical control by the firm, and risks collapsing when interoperability is introduced.โ€ In other words: Appleโ€™s comfortable altering its own practices for Siri AI, giving the AI the ability to access lots of data across different apps, but argues the same kind of access is too dangerous when competitors ask for it.

Veale and Penfrat both said thereโ€™s no way to properly assess Appleโ€™s proposed solution because the company has not made it public. Other experts, such as [the professor of competition law and digital regulation at Tilburg University in the Netherlands, Friso] Bostoen, questioned why Apple needs as long as 18 months to implement it, given the interoperability requirements were predictable and should have been addressed in parallel with the development of Siri AI.

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[โ€“] axh@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago

[โ€“] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It's crucial to prevent interoperability for privacy and security reasons. Only Apple should access all the sensitive data on your iPhone and send it to Google's servers for processing.

They really lost all credibility they ever had. Sad, they used to stand for something other than just shareholders.

[โ€“] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Sad, they used to stand for something other than just shareholders.

Did they, really?

[โ€“] espentan@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I guess they stood for repackaging others inventions and charging exorbitant prices for it, and no one has done more to prevent interoperability in the world of technology.

[โ€“] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 hours ago

repackaging others inventions

Well, Woz went on to be the inventor of the very best remote ever. But yeah, they like copying and then over-engineering (by todays' standards, not that I think over-engineering is a bad thing, or even a thing). It's also hard to think of someone other than the inventors (maybe, they do like to copy) of the walled garden who has 'done more to prevent interoperability in the world of technology'.

Actually I think I straight up agree with you.

[โ€“] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 23 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I want an European Smartphone OS.

Make Apple & Google gtfo.

[โ€“] Tundra@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 hours ago (2 children)
[โ€“] dudesss@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

How does Jolla compare to Fairphone?

[โ€“] Tundra@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago

Fairphone comes with android (fairphoneos or a degoogled android e/os) and is focused on repairability.

Jolla comes with their own linux mobile system called sailfishOS.

(although you can flash ubuntu touch onto fairphone 4/5)

[โ€“] ipp0@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Itโ€™s such a shame there is no telephoto lens in the upcoming jolla phone. Maybe next time.

[โ€“] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 hours ago

I think having a good, consumer ready device at an affordable price point is needed to get the ball rolling. If it was too expensive with too many bells and whistles, there would be a lot of complaints about how the software isn't ready for such high-end hardware, and that the software experience doesn't compare with similarly priced flagships. Competing with more affordable devices is advantageous as those usually have worse software support and a bloated operating system.

Not to mention, there are other practical reasons why Jolla didn't go for better hardware. They don't have the large sales numbers of giants like Apple, Samsung, or Xiaomi, so the cost of something like a telephoto lens is much higher for them than bigger brands. For one example, Nothing initially shipped phones with only two cameras, but the 3a series was the first to ship with a third camera, as by that point they had enough market share for the cost of production is reasonable. Note that Nothing has been caught doing shady marketing tricks and misleading consumers, and their devices are not very repairable.

[โ€“] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 25 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

questioned why Apple needs as long as 18 months to implement it, given the interoperability requirements were predictable and should have been addressed in parallel with the development

Same old game...

[โ€“] IratePirate@feddit.org 12 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

This is a prime example of why corporate complaints about "bEaUrOcRaCy" can't be taken seriously. When big corps whine about overregulation, it's typically just a pretext for axing consumer, worker or environmental protections that effectively keep them from acting like complete dickwads.

[โ€“] randomname@scribe.disroot.org 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Yes, and at the same time, Apple has been surrendering to all censorship and surveillance rules made by China without delay.

There is an old documentary from 2021, Profiting from authoritarianism - How Tim Cook surrendered Apple to the Chinese government (Invidious link),

and another one from 2025, Apple's unsolvable China problem - How Apple sold its soul to an authoritarian regime (Invidious link).

I hope the EU doesn't give in as it did all too often imo.

[โ€“] obvs@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

and another one from 2025, [Appleโ€™s unsolvable China problem](Appleโ€™s unsolvable China problem) - How Apple sold its soul to an authoritarian regime (Invidious link).

Wait, did you just link to a video of Bari Weiss talking about surrendering to authoritarianism?

[โ€“] IratePirate@feddit.org 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

The EU has already made the mistake of bending to the orange moron's tariff extortion scheme once - only for him to fabricate a reason to come back and demand more. Apple and other big tech corps are banking on his support throughout this - after all, they've ~~openly bribed him~~ contributed to his campaign, ball room and his family's projects many times over.

Let's hope the EU learnt that there's no deals to be made with con men and have him and his corporate backers walk into a brick wall, face-first.

[โ€“] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 14 points 12 hours ago

As an iPhone user in Europe, I say: keep fighting the good fight, Europe.

I dread the day when I have to delete photos from my phone to make room for the 10Gb of AI models Apple have shat into it overnight like an unwanted U2 album.

[โ€“] Pechente@feddit.org 4 points 12 hours ago

And they have done this before with Screen Mirroring. Great move by Apple to try to weaken Europe and rally its citizens against it just to potentially make a tiny sliver more money.

[โ€“] evujumenuk@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

This is probably the best outcome for everyone, including Apple.

So they have Siri AI which you can give extensive access to your private information, presumably so it can help you better. It is reasonable to assume you trust Apple to some extent already, since you use their product. And if not, you can just disallow access using their privacy infrastructure which you probably trust because otherwise you wouldn't entrust the device with anything valuable in the first place.

But now the EU comes along and says, if you can have this privileged position, you need to give it to Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk too so we can have some fair competition. Meanwhile Apple thinks, "I made this feature to sell more devices, I actually don't care much if the user really uses it so no skin off my back if it's disabled, and I can make sure that my prompts don't employ any dark patterns because that undermines my whole PRiVaCY angle to why iPhone is superior, however I cannot really ensure that Meta and Grok won't lie to and threaten the user until they give up and give them their private data which is all these companies are really interested in."

So now Apple can point to the DMA and say "we do this because privacy is the most important thing everrr", the EU can point to this and say "we do this because fair competition is what we're about", and EU citizens don't get their arms twisted into exposing everything about themselves. And even if you're immune, your social graph by and large isn't.

Getting some freedoms means that someone will try to exploit your ability to exercise them. If you can plausibly show that you have no control, you win the game of Chicken, like a driver who throws out their steering wheel, visibly, before accelerating towards their opponent.

[โ€“] dieTasse@feddit.org 1 points 9 hours ago

Apple loosing credibility fast and steady.