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This is being crossposted everywhere, smells fishy
Yeah. It is. I made the mistake of believing that I was participating in a good faith conversation with OP, but I took a look at their posting history. Thousands of anti-China posts.
Just bulk posting China == Bad where ever they can.
Blocking OP for mindlessness.
China’s criticism of the anti gangs stuff from the UN isn’t new and their stated points are, in my opinion, reasonable and surmountable.
https://un.china-mission.gov.cn/eng/hyyfy/202510/t20251001_11722368.htm
And what exactly makes China's criticism here 'reasonable and surmountable'? The linked document doesn't provide any reasonable answer to this.
It's just another step by China in its attempt to dismantle human rights in my opinion.
As an addition, we must note that there has been growing evidence for decades of China's resistance against human right the and the rule of law. To provide a tiny sample, The Finnish Institute for International Affairs stated already in 2019 that China’s approach to human rights is [...] guided first and foremost by the desire to secure the existing political system and its leadership.
As early as 2017, HRW already revealed that China sought to slash funding for UN human rights officers.
And in April this year, a report found how, At the UN, China is deploying a growing army of puppet organizations to monitor and intimidate human rights activists,
Beijing-backed “GONGOs” [government-organized nongovernmental organizations] have transformed the Palais des Nations - in Geneva, Switzerland, where the U.N. Human Rights Council frequently meets - into a hostile environment for critics of President Xi Jinping.
And this is really a tiny list. There is ample evidence for China's hostility against human rights and the rule of law.
The first issue is that the UN’s plan for arming people and sending them into Haiti is ambiguous. China wants definition. I think this is incredibly reasonable. If my country’s functioning government collapsed and the UN was sending in armed peacekeepers (not sure how I feel about that name since the ones in Haiti specifically have been accused of violating the human rights of the people whose human rights they’re supposedly there to protect.) I’d want the people sending them to send them with a clear objective and scope of action, while also having clear parameters on which they are not to step outside of.
The second concern is that China does not feel that a highly militarized approach currently is the best course of action. You can see in the text as to their reasons why. I’m iffy on this one, to be honest. Haitian police seem to be unable, unwilling, or not allowed to disrupt gang activity. Haitian gang leader (and former police officer) Barbecue did very little to hide his location or face in public, suggesting the police there should have been able to locate and detain him, yet for years - nothing. But, there are children operating in those gangs, and I’d like to not see bullets in their chests. So - you be the judge on this one.
The third one? This seems like a common complaint coming out of the UN members that are at odds with the West in general, and the United States specifically. It seems to come up with some frequency on the UN matters that I’m aware of, but I don’t know how often, since I’ve got my own profession to use most of my time. It appears that these countries are left out in the cold on conversations and then have policies they were supposed to involved in crafting, appearing at discussion without them even knowing about it. I’d be less interested in this one if I thought that the other items were not valid and moving on these policies would improve and save lives in Haiti. Regardless of if this policies are useful or not useful, helpful or harmful, if everyone allegedly welcome at the table isn’t actually welcome at the table - that’s sham democracy, collaboration, and cooperation.
The unstructured, unsupervised, and poorly parametered deployment of a militarized force in Haiti seems like it very much could wind up as another Smedley Butler situation in Haiti.
Copied and pasted the bulk of the reasonable complaints and the text’s requests for resolving those (except item two, which is complaining about how the United States is doing nothing to interfere with the arms moving from the USA into the hands of gangs).
First, this draft resolution is ambiguous on several critical issues. At its core, it authorizes under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, a brand new gang suppression force with the mandate to conduct independently robust military operations. Based on the principles of respecting national sovereignty and non-interference in internal affairs, China has always taken a cautious stance on invoking Chapter VII mandates. We believe that out of accountability towards the Haitian people and the Security Council's decisions, the penholder should first provide detailed explanations on such key questions as the composition of the force, how to carry out its mandate, how to define the rules of engagement, how to avoid civilian casualties, and how to ensure effective decision-making, oversight, and accountability. These are the foundation for Council members to discuss the draft resolution. However, the penholder has consistently failed to provide meaningful information on these matters, insisting instead that the Council first adopt the resolution authorizing the Standing Group of Partners established just one month ago to assume full responsibility for these matters. This approach, which demands the Council issue a blank check on matters concerning the lives and safety of the Haitian people while giving away concrete responsibility, amounts to treating the Council as a rubber stamp.
Second, this draft resolution risks exacerbating Haiti's already complex and dire situation. Haiti's multifaceted crises are intertwined, and the security situation merely reflects what meets the eye. The root cause lies in the absence of a legitimate government and a vacuum in national governance, which has provided fertile ground and space for violent crimes. Currently, Haiti's political transition outlook is bleak, with gangs deeply entangled with political and business elites, and large numbers of civilians, including children, recruited into gangs. At this juncture, resorting to military force to combat violence with violence is unlikely to succeed, but could further complicate the already intractable situation. At the same time, Haitian gangs are growing increasingly powerful, many armed to the teeth, a phenomenon inextricably linked to an endless influx of weapons and ammunition into the country. Reports from UNODC and the panel of experts of the Haiti Sanctions Committee reveal that the flow of weapons and ammunition originating from the United States has never ceased, rendering the Security Council's arms embargo a dead letter. Allowing weapons to flow into the hands of gangs while pushing for the deployment of armed forces to operate in Haiti is a contradictory approach that risks plunging Haiti into greater security turmoil and exposing both the Haitian people and the troops deployed to heightened risks.
Third, this draft resolution is not the result of full consultation among Council members. After the Secretary-General presented his recommendations on improving Haiti's security situation this past February, the penholder failed to produce a concrete plan for full six months. Yet, just one month ago, it introduced, all of sudden, a draft resolution demanding the Security Council to swiftly decide on establishing a brand new gang suppression force. China and other Council members actively participated in consultations and raised many constructive questions. Given that huge differences among parties still remained, China and Russia proposed a temporary technical rollover of the MSS mission to allow more time for thorough discussion and consensus building. Regrettably, the penholder insisted on putting this highly contentious draft resolution to a vote. This not only undermines the solidarity and cooperation of the Council on the question of Haiti, but also harms the Council's credibility and authority.
Your are just mirroring China's unreasonable viewpoints. Beijing is pursuing a much broader goal here, as it has tried to block funding for human rights activities very often in the past (see the links in my comment).
The people in Haiti need help against criminal gangs, to put it simply. But the Chinese government wants to preserve and strengthen the rule of the jungle rather than the rule of law. Given the history and Beijing's actions at the UN particularly of the decade, Haiti is only one of its targets.
Seems a bit cunty.