Its not hard. You tip 20% when you dine in. You can tip over that if you feel like it. You tip 10% to go/pickup. If you cant figure 10% of a number, you shouldn't be in charge of financial decisions, including but not limited to tipping.
this post was submitted on 27 Jun 2026
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Everyone hates tipping, but this won’t affect US tipping culture at all. Paying staff almost nothing and making them depend on tips is allowed by US law. As long as that doesnt change, businesses will always pay their staff as little as they can get away with.
Businesses here are not nice. If a waiter can’t make rent, then its time to fire them and hire another waiter. Which they can do because most states have at will employment. So you can fire anyone at any time, for any reason. No notice needed, and you dont have to pay them any compensation.
This is why its always interesting when people (especially from europe) think that not paying tips is going to cause some kind of transformation. We are a corporate country. If you dont go after the business owners, there will be no change.
Keller said he's changed the system so customers with reservations have to pre-pay for drinks, including a service charge. "It's just to protect our staff,"
So, customers not paying tips is forcing the business to pay a living wage, as well as incorporate wages into the price model of products rather than leave it as a hidden morality tax?
Oh, The horror. /s
They won’t pay a living wage. That is just wishful thinking. They will just replace staff that quit, and continue to pay them nothing.
No? They are just going to mandatory tips that are included in the check.
I find the forced tip is better than the emotional extortion at the payment terminal... it ends up being the same price
And if it's a forced tip, just take the next logical and include the service in the price of the item... and if service really isnt included in the production of the food, just let me pick it up from the kitchen myself. No need to pay $5 just to walk 20m with a plate.
Finally, the next logical step, include any taxes in the menu price and make round numbers.... $10, $15, $18, etc... final bill $55... this is what they do in most of europe
I hate looking at bills that have numbers seemingly generated by RNG.... $54.97 for a meal, wtf... just make it $55
There’s no fucking way the boh would just be ok with customers “just picking up their food from the kitchen” that’sa joke, right? Those people WILL spit in your food if you so much as look at them funny back there.
You think tipping servers is so bad? Deal with the head chef looking at your stupid gaping maw in the middle of dinner service. You’ll beg to tip a server.
Lol these people have no clue how many drugs the BOH is on at all times, half of them have prison records, you'll hear at least one slur, and might get hit on by the dish, it's lawless. There's a reason most of them can't get a corporate job lol.
Yeah, obviously i dont think customers should be in the kitchen....
Thats why it makes no sense for "carrying food from the kitchen" to be an optional service charge... it's a MANDATORY part of the product you are selling.... so make it part of the price...
I find service charges pretty horrifying. I would like the number on the menu to be the number that I actually pay when I cash out, and service charges don't do that.
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Sounds like a good "problem" to me. Fuck tipping. It all originated from slavery also.
It really obscures costs to the consumer who is required to do math every time. A $20 meal plus tax plus tip lol. So stupid. Just post the price for the thing and be done with it.
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