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[–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Bottle episodes meant people didn't need to be invested in years long sagas. People don't know what they want. They're force fed fancy wine, thinking they've become connoisseurs by their own choice, but actually it's box wine from Walmart. They get fed up and quit after a season or two, but they don't know why. They tell themselves it's because the writers or studios are doing it wrong. Of course that's true, but not for the reasons they think. Give people something easier to digest in small bites and they'll continue watching shows.

The same problem happened to Marvel. At this point nobody has kept track of the dozens of movies and all the plot lines. They lose viewers by attrition. They gain none because nobody is watching hundreds of hours of movies to catch up. Bottle episodes and standalones make it easy for people to start and stop at any point.

Standalone content got a derogatory label "filler". So people hate it because they're told to.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Discoverability is also in the toilet. You can't just turn on the television and find Star Trek. You have to be subscribed to the right streaming services in this landscape, and to do that, you have to want to watch it in the first place. It's not like when Discovery was new, and there was more or less just Netflix that people either had or didn't have.

Star Trek's now in the unenviable position of trying to attract a new causal audience, but being set up in places where more dedicated viewers will be the ones that can find and watch it.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago

they keep coming out with new series, only to cancel it, because the show becomes sloppier and sloppier than STD, AND picard. also the fact that ELLISON owns it now.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

Most of the nest star trek episodes were bottles

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 7 points 6 days ago
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 6 days ago

Its not the brevity, it's the extended delay between them

[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Half of them were filler and three of them were compilation recap episodes and they ran for 22 minutes each not counting ads, but yes, that's what USA TV series were like.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

And actors were visibly bored and mailing it in by episode 16.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago (23 children)

TBH I don't mind if a modern season is 12 or so episodes, so long as those episodes are rock solid! One downside to 22-24 episode seasons is they obviously phone in a couple episodes, have some filler including the ever-dreaded clip-show.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

scifi shows need at least 20 at minimum, too much to go through that cant be done in 8-10episodes.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 6 days ago

Bad writing if you can’t tell a story in 8 episodes

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's what I miss, some of the filler episodes would give so much more depth to the world and characters.

Every Ferengi episode in Ds9 was a treasure

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[–] adarza@piefed.ca 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

i would rather have the 'longer' seasons with relatively consistent schedules and early announcement of cancellation or renewal. ya know, like the 'olden days'. yea. i feel as old as i sound. idc. that's what i want.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (5 children)

True.

Today, we're lucky to get half that. Eight is more common.

nO ONe waNtS tO woRK AnYmORE!

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[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm pretty sure it was less than a year between seasons too.

None of this wait 2-3 years and wonder if its actually been cancelled.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago

a few shows had that long of a wait.

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

A discussion yesterday about netflix shows dropping 50% of their audience between season 1 and 2 was talking about this. Shows used to run 9 months and have 22 - 26 shows in that time. Then there'd be a 3 month hiatus before you got another 22+ episodes. A streaming show would take 7 season to get to 50 episodes, and with a year or more between 8 episode chunks it'd take 15 years to get there.

I don't miss filler episodes or saving the budget for sweeps, but I miss shows I love constantly producing new content.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

netflixs problem is usually due them cancelling shows after 1-2 seasons, or forced cancellation of a show that goes on longer than 2. like thats why they lose viewership, plus the immense time in between seasons. like sandman, BOz.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They also just push new things at viewers. It's inevitable that someone waiting for a Season 2 of a show they like might end up in a warren of other shows, and watch those instead, since they're available.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 5 days ago

remember how long it took sandman to finally rushed to being finished? eventhough neil gaiman was getting cancelled. BOZ shouldnt have that problem, but Netflix did not want to continue the series anymore, there was alot more material to go through like several seasons, if they dint rush the titans to being defeated so easily, plus other primordial beings arcs. i think nocturne castlevania is total limbo right now.

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