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"Nobody can give you freedom, nobody can give you quality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." - Malcolm X (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 week ago by solid_mujahid@lemmy.world to c/leftism@lemmy.world

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

How else can freedom be taken if not through violence? And if you can take freedom through violence, freedom can be taken back from you through violence. That all just sounds like a cycle of never-ending violence.

[–] Art3mis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

C'est la vie, non?

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_YgCJ9IHQ&t=1170

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not as though no slave, over several hundred years of slavery, ever thought of killing their master to free themselves. Very few even attempted it because they knew their violence would be met with even greater violence.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

Right, the difference between organised violence that smashes a whole class of oppressors (good) vs individuals lashing out (also good, but not as much)

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

yeah, but would you rather live on your knees or die on your feet?

[–] xav@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well in a civilized country you shouldn't have to.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Only socialist countries count as "civilized," then.

[–] DougPiranha42@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Quality post right here

[–] fraksken@infosec.pub -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

... Sexist ...

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Blame Malcolm X, not the OP

[–] fraksken@infosec.pub 4 points 1 week ago

I'm talking about the quote, not about OP. 6 downvotes of people who do not understand what the word means. The quote is sexist by any definition.

[+] Nomad@infosec.pub -12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Incredible how he thinks fighting for equality is a mans privilege. What flavor of equality we are talking about Malcolm? The brand where women should be oppressed and black men are somehow more equal then woman of any color?

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is in part the older, gender neutral usage of "man" meaning "human" and in part ignorance about woman issues. There were black women who felt left out both from black liberation movements and from feminism.

[–] solo@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is in part the older, gender neutral usage of “man” meaning “human” and in part ignorance about woman issues.

Sure, in good faith we need to take into account the historical background. Still, the quote "If you're a man, you take it" in 2026, sounds more like something coming from the manosphere.

There were black women who felt left out both from black liberation movements and from feminism.

This is why feminism evovled to be intersectional.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Still, the quote "If you're a man, you take it" in 2026, sounds more like something coming from the manosphere.

He didn't say it in 2026. So what's your point here? OP shouldn't quote Malcolm X because his language is outdated?

This is why feminism evovled to be intersectional.

That's a very generous reading of events. I would say, intersectional feminism evolved. White – or otherwise exclusive – feminism never ceased to exist. TERFs are still a thing. You can claim, this isn't true feminism, but that's the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

[–] solo@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Personnally, I do not reproduce quotes that haven't age well. The OP, you and everyone do as you want. I am not quote- police or something.

I find it weird you mention the 'no true Scotsman" fallacy for TERFs. The acronym means Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You said "feminism evovled to be intersectional". I pointed out that this isn't true because there is still anti-intersectional feminism out there and anticipated the argument that this isn't true feminism. If you were never to make this argument, I guess I waisted some ink.

[–] solo@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

A few more words to clarify a couple of stuff.

The way I see things, the current wave of feminism is using the analytical tool of intersectionality which allows mistakes of the past to be addressed and not to be repeated.

Last time I checked, I also concluded that terfs are still a thing. For me, there is nothing radical in being a transphobe, so I think we should just call them that: transphobes. They can call themselves feminists, the word is out there for anyone to use. And this is why every time someone tells me they are a feminist I ask them and/or try to see how they see intersectionality so I know to who I am talking (if they are westerners, that is). And I hope by now it is clear, I don't go into conversations defending the purity of movements.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And I hope by now it is clear, I don't go into conversations defending the purity of movements.

As I already said, I just debunked this in case you might bring it up. If you never were to do so, fine. Can we please move on? I see how this might have sounded like a personal attack but please believe me that it wasn't.

The way I see things, the current wave of feminism is using the analytical tool of intersectionality which allows mistakes of the past to be addressed and not to be repeated.

This isn't too far from what I'm saying either but there are two points I'd like to make:

Feminism isn't a monolith. There are intersectional branches of feminism but there are also transphobic, racist, imperialistic, Zionist, ... branches. That's why I brought up TERFs as an example for bigoted feminists.
Your framing makes it seem like earlier feminists realized their errs and opened up. Which might not be wrong but neither is the focus correct. It was black (and queer) feminists that fought their way into the movement. Or rather they had to create their own movement that later fused with feminism. My point is that it's the achievement of intersectionalism, not of feminism. This might seem irrelevant and it doesn't really contradict what you said but I think it's an important aspect you didn't mention.

[–] solo@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Your framing makes it seem like earlier feminists realized their errs and opened up

I really don't know where you got that impression. I specifically talk about feminism, so that the focus is on an intergenerational time-frame.

My point is that it’s the achievement of intersectionalism, not of feminism

I am not familiar with the term intersectionalism. I know that intersectionality started as a term for legal analysis coined by Kimberlé Crenshaw and then was adopted by feminists because it created a helpful analytical framework.