It's Eembrace, extend, and extinguish (EEE) all over again. It has happen countless times, and will keep happening. I can't believe people still fall for it.
Meta wants to capture the twitter refugees, and they will do the same thing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
What are examples where companies successfully came to the extinguish phase?
No need. If I wanted corpo social media, I'd be on reddit/twitter instead of lemmy/mastodon
Fuck Meta, they are cancer.
Fuck facebook. That all I have to say.
I think Carrot said it best.
I think I'll never knowingly use a Meta product.
Installed it, saw my feed was full of people I didn't follow, with no option to only view posts from followers, immediately uninstalled.
Once I followed people and accounts I wanted to see, their feeds automatically took over. What you saw was Meta filling the feed with something so average users don't see an empty void and give up.
Why would I leave one shit stain’s platform for another’s?
Mastodon already exists, they didn't need to bother
I'll never use a Facebook product if I can help it.
Not needed. We have mastodon. It has it's quirks but in the long run is much better than twitter
I've taken a look around and it's pretty early so not a lot of uptake. It will live or die by how many people actively use it. The built in follower base with instagram is pretty enticing. I was surprised to see a reference to the fediverse right up front. Might just be pandering, but we will see!
Use it to link back to Lemmy posts.
Yeah, I was wondering if you could set it to just broadcast, letting people know the Fediverse is your new home now. Throw them a lifeline.
this is my plan as soon as meta federates tbh
im willing to stick it out with their shitty app until they federate if it means i could bring over a few extra friends to the free persons side (:
I appreciate your missionary zeal. I can't yet get up the energy to look at it - there's so much more interesting stuff over on this side of the fence.
I doubt that will be the case.
As much as I like the fediverse, meta has some serious budget to through at UX. They will get people to use their app to interact with the fediverse, and then once they are the biggest instance, they will just defederate.
A shit product name using a generic commonly used term.
I already fell into misinterpreting a post title about it. So unnecessary.
Obviously I don't think anyone here cares for it, but most are worried on how it'll affect the fedi
Most of the fear is unfounded and it's a good thing for the overall fedi network
You can see Mastodon's CEO response on it, and I definitely agree with him. It's a good run down on the controversy, also mentioning embrace-extend-extinguish.
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
As much as I respect the guy, I think he's being naïve in that blog post.
This post explains very well why one should be very weary of this.
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Yeah a whole lot of nothing new from that post. The mention of XMPP is mentioned in Mastodon's post already, and it really is an irrelevant protocol barely having users in 2006. That landscape isn't remotely the same as it is today. When you say let's talk on XMPP, what does that even mean? What app? What website? If I say let's chat over ActivityPub, I could point you to Mastodon or whatever. They're user facing, they're established, they're easy to use for normal people. It's modern day and we can clone a git repo of ActivityPub like it's nothing. People are well aware of extend-embrace-extinguish. The comparison really baffles me.
Frankly I think those admins are dumb for refusing to talk to Meta so they could give them their perspective of the fedi. That was Meta actually attempting to have positive communication and was shot down.
None of the comparisons in that post that are brought up are even remotely comparable to me. They are all entirely different circumstances, like trying to compare a essential tool like document rendering to an independent social network protocol?? You need that document rendering for work, you can't do your job otherwise. Mastodon can tell them to fuck off and remain on an unchanged ActivityPub with zero loss. These comparisons are not the same.
Ok answer this then:
What's stopping Meta from spreading its influence on the platform (so that people follow others on threads), growing up to be the largest instance, and then just defederating from everyone else to "stop spam"? People will then move to threads so they keep following their friends there (because their friends signed up for meta, since it was all compatible anyway).
Have you ever tried to administer your own email server? It's a huge hassle to do, as you'll automatically be blocked by Gmail, outlook, etc and have to jump through a lot of hoops to stop yourself from being blocked.
The same thing will happen to the fediverse.
My response is the same thing I posted over and over. They don't care about that... because the fedi population is completely irrelevant. I don't want to state my same point for a third time. Also, yes I do run my own email server tied to two domains actually. But it's configured correctly and I have never been blocked in my ~4 years or so of running it. Both are .dev domains (which is owned by google lol), and certain TLDs like .top domains will almost always go straight to spam. So things like that factor into reputability.
If they didn't care about the fedi population, why are they making it compatible then?
Because they do good things sometimes. See how they open-sourced LLamA and React. If you don't have an actual logical reasoning as to why this is harmful to the fedi, then it's just fear mongering.
Logical reasoning?
I just laid it out to you, and your only arguments are "the circumstances are different" and "sometimes they do good things".
They just burnt through a shit-ton of money on their metaverse idea, they are not gonna be doing anything but shrewd business decisions for a while.
I've got a bridge to sell you.
I think they’ll do quite well, it’s a perfect landing spot for Twitter refugees not willing/techie enough to take the leap to Mastodon. Y’know, the normals. Particularly if it’s well-integrated with Instagram.
Is that a good thing? Ie do I want to see Twitter fail more than I want Meta to not be successful…? That’s a fucking tricky one!
I think that if Apple let me install it in a walled off sandbox, away from everything else on my phone, I might give it a try, but as it is, it's not going on my phone.
for as long as their instance doesn't allowed "poop" and "bean" posting and comments, it wont gain any traction
I'm all for it if gathers up a whole bunch of basic/casual internet users and keeps them in the shallow end of the pool. I know it sounds elitist and snobby but I don't even care any more. If the people who turned reddit and twitter into destinations for celebrity gossip and meme ghettos have their own little neck of the woods then everybody wins.
People are worried about it being an E/E/E manoeuvre but I see it as a plus happening this early - a great scenario to test and observe how federation (and defederation) works in practice and gives the whole ecosystem some experience in dealing with potentially hostile actors.
So far though, worst case is if threads turns out to be a real blight on the fediverse, then major instances with defederate them and that will be the end of it.
I found that the feed is not chronological and directly rrmoved it
I installed it, looked around, and deleted it.
If it's just another server that I can choose to follow or not, whatever, doesn't bother me. Anything that will make the fediverse better, faster is ok imo.
That being said, I do not, nor will ever trust Facebook
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