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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 hours ago

excellent writeup

but nothing new. just lazy cops being lazy, seems like.

how many infractions before they get fired and blacklisted?

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Every separate violation should be a billion dollar fine, to go in the America First Fund, which will provide the seed money for social programs like Medicare 4 All, Free college/trade school, student loan forgiveness, etc.

That's also where we should put the fortunes we confiscate from Sociopathic Oligarchs, as well returned tariffs, corporate fines, etc. Don't just stick it in the general fund where it will be wasted on weapons of mass destruction.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 15 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

If two journalists testing cars are able to get targeted this badly by the police, what percentage of average citizens are going to be harassed by police using false data and fudged reports, where literally nobody in the command chain is ever held responsible?

[–] socsa@piefed.social 4 points 12 hours ago

Hell, if I ever end up in a hit and run, I'm half tempted to be like "idk, it happened so fast but I think the plate was [old boss's plate]." Seems like open season on poison data with enough plausible deniability.

How many people are going to get murdered in cold blood by police when they pull up with their guns drawn?

[–] MushuChupacabra@piefed.world 34 points 20 hours ago

You don't discuss anything with Flock.

You just run roughshod over all of their concerns, and smash their cameras.

Essentially, treat them exactly the way they're treating you.

[–] Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml 4 points 17 hours ago

So, how hard would it be to get flock to flag their own CEO's car?

[–] Andy@programming.dev 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Are there any implementations of camera based traffic safety networks that are actually kind of good, in terms of privacy, responsible data handling, and effectiveness?

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Radar traps. They only snap a picture if someone is going above the speed limit, in a wrong lane (e.g. bus lane) or over a red light.

Any arguments against them are usually analogous to sugar companies opposing a sugar tax because it would lead to poor grammy being unable to afford to sweeten her morning coffee anymore.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 hours ago

yeah I still can't believe these got banned in Ontario. so much more effective and safe in school zones than speed bumps or artificial lane narrowing

although fines should have been raised, like all vehicle fines, to a % of income/wealth

and I will admit that I don't know how you ensure that they don't become like Flock

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 22 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

No and none of us should have to live with cameras constantly pointed at us.

[–] Andy@programming.dev -3 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I live in a place with a lot of traffic violence, and there's negligible enforcement. I'm looking for a practical way to keep drivers accountable and reduce the violence.

I think cameras on the intersections have to be part of that strategy. I'm inclined to believe a responsible implementation is possible, and I'd like to see more discussion of what that could look like.

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

You seem to be falling into the quicksand of trying to fix the symptom of one societal ill by introducing another one with its own bad symptoms.

Consider that the problem you have is not "we gotta stop the bad guys", but instead "we gotta stop what makes guys do bad things".

[–] Andy@programming.dev 1 points 13 hours ago

Ok what makes drivers unsafe and unaccountable?

[–] sepi@piefed.social 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

"We gotta stop what makes guys do bad things": lol wtf kinda ignorant ass comment is this

And the people who upvoted it are about as smart

[–] tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Andy@programming.dev 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If I'm crossing the street and get mowed down in a hit and run, the car's dash cam footage probably won't be found.

[–] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 12 hours ago

What about a brick?