China, in 2023 alone, installed more solar capacity than the US has ever done in its entire history, surpassing expectations. : worldnews

[-] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 44 points 10 months ago

Yes but have you considered China bad?

[-] lntl 25 points 10 months ago

China bad and don't forget US good

[-] Arin@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

US Reads reports, NO GPUs FOR CHINA!

[-] Sinonatrix@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

I wonder if they have TV ads with sad coal miners paid for by their version of Koch Industries?

Just kidding. I know they don't.

[-] AdlachGyfiawn@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 10 months ago

It really is uplifting to see a government meet (and so hugely surpass) their climate goals. Living in America, you'd think it was impossible from the way businesses/politicians talk.

[-] Rom@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

Hell, half of American politicians refuse to acknowledge climate change even exists.

[+] Ooops@kbin.social -8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's only uplifting when you ignore the fact that China also approved more than 50GW in new coal power plants in just the first half of 2023...

In the end the two biggest economies in the world massively fail. One because it's controlled by fossil fuel lobbyists and the other because it doesn't give a shit and just builds up every available energy production.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

China at least has the excuse of being so incredibly huge that they actually need an "all of the above" strategy to meet energy requirements.

We're over here burning coal for little to no reason. We could replace those plants whenever we want. We just don't, because coal lobby.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social -3 points 10 months ago

Electricity is cheap as shit in China, there is a lot of “need” that is not necessary

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Electricity should be affordable.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago

And waste should be eliminated.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

And on a per capita basis, China consumes less than half what Americans consume. Sure looks like they're reducing waste.

[-] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago

Last I checked, China's been developing every energy source known to man (except O&G, because they don't have a domestic supply of O&G except in the contested waters of the SCS)...

China is the world leader in new nuclear development, new hydro development, solar panel manufacturing, wind turbine manufacturing, solar panel deployment, wind turbine deployment, electric vehicles, and carbon capture+storage.

Maybe if other economies would help pick up the slack? China's been firing on all cylinders towards green tech for decades, but it turns out that urbanizing and industrializing 1 billion people to a Western standard of living is really fucking energy-intensive. Meanwhile, everyone else is just sitting on their ass and watching.

[-] AdlachGyfiawn@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Three times as much solar being built as coal is still great, especially for a developing economy. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

[-] ZeroEcks@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

It's China even still a developing country really

[-] Pili@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 10 months ago

The costal part is pretty much developed, but the rest of the country is still industrialising.

[-] stella@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You described the US in both scenarios.

What makes you think Americans will forego cheap energy if China and Russia don't?

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 10 months ago

You don't have to ignore anything, China has an actual concrete plan for transition off fossil fuels. Initial stages still require coal to produce power to build out the infrastructure. A study in the second link found that China's use of coal is perfectly in line with the plan in the first link.

[-] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

You mean a country has a problem and they just....fix it? Unheard of in the west.

[-] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

"but at what cost!?"

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 10 months ago

❤️

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

It's pretty funny, doomerism is over because whatever the fuck the dickhole states of america does, there's always china to fall back on.

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 0 points 10 months ago

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[-] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 1 points 10 months ago

Chiba that's a fortunate typo.

[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip -2 points 10 months ago

China is also the largest consumer of coal... So kinda negates that, doesn't it.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago

China has an actual concrete plan for transition off fossil fuels. Initial stages still require coal to produce power to build out the infrastructure. A study in the second link found that China's use of coal is perfectly in line with the plan in the first link.

So, kinda doesn't negate that, does it?

[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago

This I didn't know, thanks for the info.

It's good that they have a plan, just hope they can speed it up. If China can transition off coal faster, it'd be a boon for the world.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No, it doesn't. They're still burning coal just like everyone else. They're burning a lot more than other countries too.

A plan to reduce it doesn't make the emissions any better.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 10 months ago

I'm guessing that reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suites.

[+] Ooops@kbin.social -6 points 10 months ago

That's nice but why pick the lowest possible bar and comparing it with the US?

[-] 520@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

It's clearly not the lowest possible bar though?

[-] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 9 points 10 months ago

Because the USA a large industrial economy.

Though I agree it would be also nice to see a comparison with the EU.

[-] kayjay@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago

…? I think there are plenty of lower bars than the US.. in fact I can’t think of a more apt country to compare to. If you count Europe as a region then that would be valid as well, I guess. The US is the only world economy on the same level as China.

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