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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by appel@whiskers.bim.boats to c/asklemmygrad@lemmygrad.ml

I work in a small startup company, about 14 people. Recently, the leadership asked us to sign something to waive a limit on the working hours we do (called the Working Time Directive in the UK, limits time to 48 hours a week). However, many lab scientists here have been working significantly more (60+ hours) for many months, which would be illegal.

I thought this might give us an opportunity to have a bit more leverage, as not everyone has signed this yet. If we make some demands and refuse to sign it until we do, we can threaten legal action (is what I thought).

I spoke to some of the scientists and they are all a bit fed up at the amount of time they are being asked to work. Not that the leadership ever says you must come in, just they say that these projects need to be done, and the work just takes that long. We also are not paid overtime at all, so these scientists are working sometimes 100hr weeks for equivalently less than minimum wage. I don't know everyone's salaries exactly but I am pretty sure it's 28-32k gbp sort of range. Of course they have sold us the idea that we are working to build the company in the early stages and they have given us shares in the company, but we can only use these after staying in the company for 5 years (entrapment).

Should we form a group and make some demands? What do you think? How should we go about it? I have no experience organising and I don't think anyone else does either. The others have expressed interest though.

Also should be noted that a couple of the workers are relying on this job to sponsor their visa and otherwise they could be forced to leave the country.

Your advice would be much appreciated comrades

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[-] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 9 months ago

If you can get everyone (or the majority of people) to not sign this waiver, that is a good first step. If you have evidence of them encouraging/forcing employees to work an illegal number of hours, why not pass that evidence along?

When it comes to working with people on visas, organizing can be very challenging because of how tenuous their situation can be and how readily employers take advantage of that. In the end, those managers need YOU to accomplish the work and that goes even for people on visas. It's much harder to replace scientists and probably takes in excess of a year to get back up to some semblance of the same level of production after losing someone...if they are lucky and have good SOPs in place.

My suggestion is to reach out to the IWW about this. I've found them to be very responsive, but they will want more info on how many people are working on visas, etc so they can give you realistic advice.

[-] appel@whiskers.bim.boats 5 points 9 months ago

Thank you very much for the suggestions :) who should we pass the info on to though? I will see about getting in touch with the IWW, that is a great idea. Yea I do think we have a strong position, the current team is very integrated and without any of them, new people would take a long time to train up. The people who are on visas are critical to completing the work, so it is risky but I think management will want to hang on to them.

[-] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 9 months ago

I'm unfamiliar with UK labor laws, I just work in a similar situation. I would bring the evidence of violation of your laws to whatever labor authority there is in the UK, but I don't know who this is.

Again, I would trust the advice from the IWW before me. They deal with this all the time and probably have these answers.

[-] appel@whiskers.bim.boats 2 points 9 months ago

Thanks, I have sent an enquiry to the IWW UK, and made a group to discuss this amongst the workers. Shame there is quite a difference in the IWW US and UK websites ...

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