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I think having a split keyboard so my mouse can be in the middle would really help my comfort at the desk. Is there a style that doubles up the middle keys? My typing style means sometimes I use my right hand to hit T, left to hit Y, etc.

Is this a style already, or would I need to build my own?

I am completely new to this domain and would appreciate advice from knowledgeable enthusiasts.

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[-] evo@sh.itjust.works 56 points 8 months ago

Not that I am aware of. However, one thing I learned is that moving to a split keyboard fixes bad typing behavior like tapping T or Y with the wrong hand very quickly.

[-] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 24 points 8 months ago

That's my experience, too. When I switched to split, I noticed a few quirks in my typing habits. They cleared up quickly with just a little bit of thoughtful practice.

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[-] Copernican@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

I think the "bad" typing behavior for those stretches has a bit to do with PC gaming. In the old days of CS and other games before voip, T was all chat and Y was team chat. So my left hand was used to migrating to that specific key very quickly to open a prompt as my mouse hand transitioned over to the keyboard. As a gamer on a split keyboard, it's usually fine, but sometimes I wish my left half had an extra column of keys.

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Indeed, OP should just switch and quickly learn more ergonomic typing.

This is like asking the internet if they have a diet that can accomodate a lot of sugary drinks.

Just, no.

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[-] drudoo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I love the extra B on my Alice but when using Corne I keep wanting to press B with my right hand, which I shouldn’t 😂

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[-] HatchetHaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 8 months ago

Such a simple design change but honestly it's a genius move.

I think going custom is your best option. Keyboard enthusiasts often adhere to their "perfect" touch typing methods, and thus there is often no demand for split boards with these duplicate keys, which is a shame.

[-] stoicmaverick@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Ya. I wonder if a 'loophole' would be adding a row of blank/programmable keys down that middle row. That would make this easy to do, without the purists (80% of the demographic) feeling that it's tainted by being not technically correct.

[-] HatchetHaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 8 months ago

Oh, that's an amazing idea.

[-] stoicmaverick@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I mean an extra row on both sides, but I assume you figured out what I meant. That's actually a really good place for macro and modifier keys that I never thought of before since they're always in easy reach without lifting your hands. Somebody with more free time than me: Get on this!

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[-] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

No feedback about the doubled middle keys, but mouse in the center of your desk? Do you have a third, middle arm? I don't see that being ergonomic at all.

[-] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 17 points 8 months ago

I use my mouse in the middle and it's much more comfortable. My keyboard halves are quite far apart-- more than most split keyboard users-- and as the other poster suggested, I do a significant amount of my work with keyboard only.

It feels much shorter and my arm feels much more supported when I move my right hand inward to the mouse instead of flaring my elbow outward. In general, elbow tucked is a more ergonomic and stable position, even in e.g. a bench press, and so it's less fatiguing. Less fatigue means more time without hunching.

That's my experience, anyway. Different bodies and different setups might end up optimizing differently.

[-] yote_zip@pawb.social 9 points 8 months ago

Mouse in the middle is more ergonomic if you spend more time typing than moving your mouse, e.g. heavy CLI users or people who type documents all day.

[-] apfel@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

so what you're saying is... moving your arm outwards to use the mouse is more ergonomic than moving it inwards? 🤔

[-] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Yes? Inward shoulder rotation is a big factor in rounded shoulder/"computer guy" hunch.

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[-] natecox@programming.dev 3 points 8 months ago

I’m a “touchpad in the middle” guy myself. Love it.

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[-] FakinUpCountryDegen@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

Wait... Left...Right....

...wtf do you use to control your mouse that makes the middle comfortable? lmao

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

Uses his dick like a joystick

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

two Eternal Keypads – build one as right, one as left – install VIA firmware and remap

(in between the two halves, people more often choose a trackpad or trackball, usually not enough room for full mouse movement)

EDIT: for split keyboards, you’re basically looking for each half having 7 columns (6 and 5 columns are far more common)

[-] rf_@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

You’ll have to get it custom made. You can learn to do it yourself, design and get it fabricated. Or see if you can pay someone to for it.

I find it funny that most of the responses are variations of you needing to conform to existing designs. We make tools to conform to us, not the other way around.

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[-] Copernican@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You can do that on a zsa moondlander and assign those key to be whatever you want.

Edit: except for the B/N. But someone that has bad typing technique and crossover and switching to columnar, my muscle memory only does thaty with T/Y and G/H. Not a problem for the bottom row.

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[-] idealotus@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

I use a ZSA Moonlander which I programmed to have 2 Ys and 2 Vs so the left and right work like how you're looking for.

It sped up my adoption of using a columnar keyboard. I'm sure some will say I gotta fix my typing, but I definitely have sped up my typing with a split keyboard, even with this quirk.

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[-] nakal@kbin.social 11 points 8 months ago

I've had some fun about thinking how much overlap you need. And while playing with the thought to maximize it, I came to the conclusion that you can just have two keyboards, for each hand one.

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[-] KeyboardGoesBrrr@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I had a similar set of typing habits when I started and found that the bfo9000 suited my needs, may be worth a try for you.

It is ortholinear, rather that the row staggered layout you requested, but does allow the "overreaching" typing style.

https://keeb.io/products/bfo-9000-keyboard-customizable-full-size-split-ortholinear

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[-] PeachMan@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Not really something that I'm aware of; you would probably need to build one custom yourself if you wanted that. But I don't think that would be worth the effort. If you get a split keyboard, it's pretty easy to train yourself to use it the "correct" way, hitting T with left and Y with right.

EDIT: Or if you go with a pre-built PCB, you could build a keyboard with a non-standard ortholinear layout like this one, but you'd have to re-learn how to type on that anyway....so just going with a standard split layout is the easiest option.

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[-] Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

If you didn't want to make one custom, you could get a programmable keyboard like a ZSA Moonlander and then use a layer to have the three extra keys on the inside be the extra keys you want.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Just buying a split (doesnt even have to be ergo) will fix your problems. I have a charybdis from bastardkb and all my typing flaws were instantly revealed. It honestly took me about a month to get used to it, considering I type on a lot of keyboards and mine is the only split ergo in the office.

[-] SmokedBillionaire@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

As a fellow left-handed split keyboard enthusiast, do what you want. The Ergodash is probably about as close as you're going to get to what you're looking for.

Yeah the Ortho layout is a bit different and you won't get your number overlaps, but it could allow you to do what you are looking for and then change it in the future if you decide you'd rather have other keys there instead of letters.

Also as a person who's job entails typing all damn day, the change in layout has removed a significant amount of hand fatigue I used to get from regular staggered boards.

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