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Ultra-white ceramic cools buildings with record-high 99.6% reflectivity::undefined

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[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 106 points 9 months ago

You know what also cools houses down super efficiently?

Trees

[-] Matty_r@programming.dev 42 points 9 months ago

Excellent - how many trees can I grow on my roof? Can they be retrofitted?

/s

[-] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Trees? Not many. Grasses, herbs, wildflowers, and shrubs? Tons of them. And you can pretty easily retrofit over an existing sloped roof. And the weight is no more than a tiled roof.

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[-] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You know what cools roofs and generates electricity? Magic!

Another trick: bifacial panels oriented to pick up the reflected light from highly reflective roofs

[-] WereCat@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

What about Ultra white ceramic trees?

[-] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago

True though this is still practical for folks who live in deserts and other treeless places

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[-] echo64@lemmy.world 103 points 9 months ago

NightAHawkinLight on youtube has been working on something similar. same kind of snow-like nanostructure to reflect light away, but with the added benefit of a paint that emits light in a wavelength that travels through the atmosphere without interacting with any of it.

so if you point a painted tile at the sky it will actually cool below ambient temperature, it's pretty wild https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3bJnKmeNJY

[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 68 points 9 months ago

Tech Ingredients did a video about it as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNs_kNilSjk

The biggest problem with making stuff white and using fancy materials is the amount of crap they get exposed to.

Moisture is one issue, both in the form of water vapor / condensation as well as rain. But there's also smallish animals, like birds and cats that crawl around on roofs. Not to mention all the insects. Then there is the normal sand and dust in the air, plus all the pollution. Depending on where you live, white stuff gets really dirty within weeks or months.

I work in a white office building and they have it cleaned with pressure washers twice a year, it takes a whole climbing team a good two weeks to clean the whole thing and it looks dirty again after a few months. And that's just a white form of plastic (HPL) you can blast away on, without causing damage. With these fancy meta materials often they are really fragile and any damage undoes the special properties.

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[-] Tvkan@feddit.de 59 points 9 months ago

In other news, snow blindness is on the rise in suburbia.

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[-] neptune@dmv.social 39 points 9 months ago

Super awesome. Not only is it white and shiny aluminum oxide, it uses a nanostructure, as observed on beetles, to maximize reflection, minimizing heat retained.

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 months ago

What's the gains in contrast to regular white bathroom tiles? (Not a joke question)

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 9 months ago

But what about it getting dirty and how well does it resist having its nano structure getting damaged? Like, there's that spray that can make sneakers or clothes virtually stainproof....until you wear them several hours or rub your hand against them.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

Probably illegal here because of the high reflective value. Depending on the sun's position, it could dazzle and blind people, e.g. people driving cars or riding bikes. I know that for this reason, shiny metal roofs are not allowed.

[-] KapiteinPoffertje@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago

There is a difference between mirror like reflection and diffuse reflection. Mirror reflection is what you get with metal roofs which beam the sun directly to a target resulting in one spot being blinded. Diffuse reflection will spread it around, resulting in more light all around which is what we can handle as humans.

[-] Silentiea@lemm.ee 31 points 9 months ago

Can mostly handle. Snow blindness is a thing, and that's all diffuse reflection too, not specular. But it's unlikely a roof would be such a problem.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

The reason for snow blindness is the fact the snow fills such a high portion of the visual field.

[-] Silentiea@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago

Yeah, hence it's unlikely a roof would fill it to the same extent and wouldn't be a problem.

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[-] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

It's not visibly reflective. Yes, it's white, but it's cool to the touch because the majority of the energy is radiated out into space via non-visible wavelengths. Someone has already posted a great YouTube video from Night Hawk In Light in a comment where he explains how this tech works and makes his own paint!

[-] trackindakraken@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 12 points 9 months ago

Yeah, it's good to read the article before commenting.

Here's a link to the Night Hawk video. Good stuff. https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=KDRnEm-B3AI This guy just gives away a formula he developed for the pigment. OG shit.

[-] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

Him, Thought Emporium and Breaking Taps are in their own league of genius.

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[-] rubikcuber@feddit.uk 24 points 9 months ago

Scotland here. Does this come in black?

[-] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Would we ever be able to use a material like this to reflect a significant enough portion of the light falling on Earth to reduce the total heat imparted by sunlight in a meaningful way? Could we use this as defacto ice caps to perhaps reduce global temperatures in any real way?

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Probably yeah, but more likely it would have to be atmospheric and not surface based. When Mount Pinatubo erupted in 1991 it was estimated that the global temp dropped about 0.5 degrees C over the ensuing year due to the ash cloud blocking the sun

https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/1997/fs113-97/

[-] BlueBockser@programming.dev 10 points 9 months ago

So the actual solution to climate change is to light everything on fire so the smoke cover cools down earth

[-] kelseybcool@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Ah, the Dinosaurs solution.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

The only feasible plan we have for increasing the albedo of the planet overall is atmospheric engineering. Basically you can make a reflective cloud that’s millions of square miles in area, many orders of magnitude more cheaply than any other kind of structure.

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[-] jam12705@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Is this what they meant about a "bright future ahead of us"?

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Imperial March begins to play

[-] Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My thoughts exactly at first glance! At least, now we know why some people think storm troopers are so cool.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

Next trick: make it into a paint or spray-on treatment.

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[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Why ceramic and not just paint?

[-] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 months ago

The article addresses that. It is because ceramics are durable while paints and coatings are not.

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[-] Astongt615@lemmy.one 5 points 9 months ago

Most coatings like paint that have this effect include ceramics to do most of the reflection, but the other paint stuff the ceramic substrate is emulsified in does not have near the reflectivity, so you're impairing yourself if reflectivity/heat rejection is the only goal.

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[-] schmidtster@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

So there’s gotta be a downside to reflecting all this heat though?

I know windows sometimes can focus and reflect the sun setting your neighbours house on fire, birds aren’t going to affected, bugs?

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

It looks like this reflects and scatters the light, rather than reflects and focuses it. Otherwise it would look like a mirror, not a ceramic.

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