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submitted 9 months ago by misk@sopuli.xyz to c/europe@feddit.de
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[-] venji10@feddit.de 16 points 9 months ago

Well, time to introduce a men quota

[-] pulsey@feddit.de 10 points 9 months ago

Meh, I prefer a human quota of at least 80%.

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

Fill the rest with goats!

[-] aluminium@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Good to see, I hope however they (talking about all ministers) have the necessary qualifications and aren't just a bunch of party loyalists cashing in as often is the case - at least here in Austria.

[-] Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago

I doubt it, spanish governments usually announce their number of women even before deciding which ones will be; if the criterion is not meritocracy, then...
In fact there are quite a few "positive discrimination" laws and gender quotas, among them the requirement of 40% of women in politics, administration, companies, courts, etc.

[-] Vincent@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago

I mean, how many people do you need? Surely if you can pick from all the women in Spain, you should be able to find 11 competent ones?

[-] letmesleep@feddit.de 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Surely if you can pick from all the women in Spain, you should be able to find 11 competent ones?

In politics the problem tends to be that there's not just one quota, albeit that the women-quota may be be the only one that's openly communicated. First you can only pick from people who are already at a certain career level in politics. After all you want someone who actually has experience for the job and a network to be able to get things done. Plus these people will already have been vetted properly. Less of a risk of an embarrassing story coming out with someone who's been in the spotlight for years.

Then come quotas for different (left-right) sections of the party, then quotas for different regions and so on. Each of these reduces the number of available people exponentially. I~~t~~ wouldn't be surprised if the number of candidates ends up being in the double digits. Even if we ignore qualifications completely.

So yeah, the quotas aren't helpful to get qualified people. But it's obviously idiotic to blame gender-quotas alone.

[-] Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago

Sure, but as the other user says there are so many filters that the final pool is scarce. So if we assume that men and women tend to be equally qualified (of course they are), but there are more men than women in politics, then by forcing gender parity they are probably ruling out men who were more qualified.

Honestly, we're talking about politicians, it's not like qualifications was a mandatory pre-step and I don't think it's going to change anything. I'm just arguing the previous comment about non-meritocracy.

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