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Another update and possibly a solution for some case where posts were not properly deleted. Seems I jumped the gun on this and the restores haven't been intentional - at least not in this particular case.

There is a limitation in the popular Powerdelete that apparently prevents mass editing. Here is a link to a new version with a build-in delay and some other alternatives:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/145fico/comment/jnl4xmr/

There are other reported cases where manually deleted post reappeared or other scripts have been used, so this doesn't solve all issues but explains how posts that were both edited and deleted withPowerdelete weren't properly deleted and reappeared after subs went back live.

Update: As some have pointed out: the restores can be rollbacks from the server issues or post haven't been properly deleted due to subs being private during blackouts. Many have experienced the same issue, I can't explain how this happens. I'll just run the script again, try the GDPR request and delete my account.

Also worth noting: according to the ToS Reddit can actually do whatever they want with existing content, apparently we agreed to this when signing up.

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[–] Melpomene@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Worth noting is that a number of US states also have strong protection laws. So, delete you comments manually and then, if you're really trying to ensure that they delete your data, submit a data removal request that cites your locale's law on data removal.

Theeeeeen in 6 months or so, send a data retrieval request to make sure they followed through... and report them if they did not comply. Might as well make them pay for that data if they can't follow the rules.

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[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I deleted all my content but I did it over the span of a few days, to let the different caches around reddit to update with the new void, and my content is still deleted (so far).

I said it before and I say it again: if you have the patience to do so then make sure you overwrite your content with chatgpt generated content, as the future AI that will feed on your post HATE feeding on already AI generated stuff. It makes the AI diverge.

edit: Filling your previous content with random generated content also make it harder to restore because it is harder to spot, compared with the comments which are simply "deleted". Also, if all of it is really true, congratulation to reddit for demonstrating to everyone and specially the USA how useful the GDPR is for the citizen.

[–] Varyag@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Motherfucker! I just checked my profile, and they DID restore the posts I edited+deleted with PowerDeleteSuite. Thankfully it's just the posts from the past week or so, I had deleted my entire 8 year history before that, and that stayed deleted. I'm assuming they monitored other API access calls past the days where the blackout started to restore those.

[–] Brianala@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Same here. I’m a 12 year account on Reddit and I had been in the habit of deleting my history regularly due to an ex that likes to stalk my posts. Everything recent that I deleted this week is back but the stuff I deleted prior to that is still gone.

I just went back and edited it all again to state it’s been removed in protest in favor of moving to the fediverse.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (8 children)

That link is just too request the bulk of your data. It's not a form to request deletion of all your data. Technically you could request that, but if they deny out ignore that, then there's not a whole lot you can do unless you're ready to take it to court.

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[–] matzah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

So, so, so glad I deleted my entire account. This is so unethical.

[–] effingjoe@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As I understand it (and I may not!) deleting your account leaves all your comments in place, but without your username.

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[–] CynAq@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

I'm sorry to say this but, they probably restored all of your posts too. It will just say "deleted" as your username but the posts and comments will be in their old place.

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[–] bad_luck_charm@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My money is on this being a big due to the huge influx of comment updates and deletions. I can’t imagine they would do something this blatant on purpose.

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[–] lackthought 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

wow I just checked and all my deleted comments are restored (used the power delete suite)

jokes on them, I’m petty enough to sit here and manually delete everything

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[–] pptouchi@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago

Thats messed up! fuck spez!

[–] Anahkiasen@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

That is such a shitty move. Forcing subreddits to go back up is one thing, but as a european this feels very wrong from a data ownership standpoint and I'm not sure it's ok in the GDPR rules?

[–] Anon2971@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think we should actively keep track of Reddit restoring user's content without people's permission. Screenshots, timestamps, everything. Monitor it all.

Maybe if Reddit go ahead with their API change whilst treating their users like such disposable crap, we could reach out to the EU to inform them of Reddit's GDPR breaches. Maybe that'd lead to their new revenue from API charges disappearing into hefty EU fines.

Update: Maybe there's going to be some loophole about actually having to use the data deletion request via Reddit's UI for there to be an actually GDPR breach though thinking about it. Going to ask around some Law friends for advise

[–] juergen_hubert@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

That's an excellent idea! EU regulations on the digital rights of users are not to be trifled with, and "the right to be forgotten" is a big one.

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[–] Brianala@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Earlier this week I deleted all of my comments except for some in a private sub. I just checked and all the posts I deleted are back 🤬

[–] thek3nger@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Holy damn. I deleted all my comments and my account ~a week ago. I don't even know how to check if they restored something. 😠

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[–] megane_kun@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

That's awful. I wonder if there's a way to automate deleting all of our posts and replies—and repeatedly run it on a schedule via a cron job or something, maybe once an hour or something. And let it run until their API becomes locked down.

[–] mccord@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've been using this for the last few years and letting it run once a month via cronjob:
https://github.com/jdbassa/Shreddit
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-shreddit-git

I'm sure there are other and probably newer scripts out there, though.

[–] Trebach@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And then replace it with a Selenium script afterwards.

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[–] Kwik@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@megane_kun I was thinking something very similar. I'm sure there are keywords they're looking for too, like "third party apps" and "fuck /u/spez" which trigger the restore.

[–] megane_kun@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Probably, though from what I've seen in the linked thread, there's no such keywords present.

What I suspect is that Reddit admins saw a rise in deletions, and put two and two together and thought it's part of the protest. They're not wrong, but still a dick move.

[–] chri5@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

That's not a bad idea actually. The Powerdelete script I used is based on Javascript and needs to be started manually in the browser window, I'll just run the script once a day. But maybe someone with more knowledge can come up with a more automated solution. They can't restore user accounts forever.

[–] CynAq@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's beyond fucked up.

But also very predictable.

I think it's safe to say this fiasco isn't going anywhere without a class action lawsuit or something.

[–] TractorEnjoyer@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

There is EU and GDRP which reddit have to comply with.

Reddit CEO is a moron thinking they can avoid getting slapped with a fine.

[–] Girlparts@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

I believe this is illegal for European (under GDPR).

[–] crazyminner@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Just wait a bit then delete your data. They can't keep an eye on it forever.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago

There's certainly no chance this will backfire...

[–] rastilin@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"Their" content.

EDIT: I mean, I agree that this is a new low even for social media. I think Stack Overflow made a similar statement when they stopped exporting to the internet archive, "their" content, not the user's content on their site. The users disagreed and I think the export has restarted, but it definitely shows you what the new group of CEOs think of their communities.

I'm definitely sticking to using only federated social media going forward, even for marketing.

[–] VulcanSphere@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

The Lord of Snoo, spez has unleashed a dick move towards the platform.

Gonna love the Snoo Platform, Inc. panic mode in action.

[–] frasassi@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

They are going full send on pissing everyone off at this point

[–] LChitman@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Would this actually be a GDPR breach? I was thinking about the right to erasure/to be forgotten earlier in relation to a post I saw about how your posts aren't deleted on other federated instances, if you delete them on your home server. But I figured it wasn't applicable because it's not personal data and I'm thinking the same about this Reddit issue. Can anyone set me straight?

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[–] asjmcguire@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Currently I only have 2 comments still visible which for some reason the Power Delete tool couldn't remove. I will check back in a week though if someone can remind me, and see if any of mine have magically reappeared.

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Lasairiona@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

I feel ya... Put in a feature request?

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Perhaps delete and replace the comment with text that explicitly claims copyright on the deleted message and denies Reddit a license to use the deleted content? It would be good to get a legal eagle willing to look at the Reddit user agreement and content licensing and see if there is a legally literate way of denying them use deleted content once it has been submitted.

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[–] sternail@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

I used Redact to schedule a daily deletion of my comments and posts. Hope it works. Also, I will report it.

[–] admin@fediverse.boo 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is shitty of them to do but this is what people have been trying to tell us since the dawn of the internet. Nothing on the internet is EVER truly deleted

[–] Balssh@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (39 children)

I think they may underestimate EU's response here.

[–] Rayspekt@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

DSGVO take the wheel

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[–] Lasairiona@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] exscape@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Even if having backups of the data is legal, it seems highly doubtful that restoring data that a user intentionally deleted would be allowed.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago

Warning, someone on reddit mentioned this is a known bug of the application used

[–] Balssh@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

They really want to fuck around GDPR? Are they really Musk level morons?

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